Would you want an united Troll Empire in return for the united Seven Human Kingdoms?

[OwenBurton]

The trolls have been largely united by the events of the Battle for Azeroth -- the Zandalari has joined the Horde, and this gives them tremendous lasting influence, political, cultural and religious over the other troll tribes elsewhere. Now that the Darkspear and Zandalari are allies - perhaps they could together convince the Amani trolls of Lordaeron and Stranglethorn to become members of the Horde, ending their rivalry with the blood elves once and for all? There was this Horde quest during the Battle for Stromgarde:

The bloodthirsty Witherbark tribe has always refused to join the Horde... and now that the Horde holds Arathi, we will succeed where the Alliance has failed. Drive the forest trolls from the Highlands.

If the faction war is to continue - and I understand most people are tired, but again there are still massive tensions and unresolved political and territorial issues - the Horde might attempt to gather the remaining troll tribes and enclaves -- uniting them under one massive troll empire, which would surpass even the Zandalari Empire in the glorious days of old, possibly even the Kaldorei Empire.

The trolls were never truly united in the past, not even in the ancient times - but they could be united. It would literally reshape the course of history. And a united troll empire would be strong enough to stand against any outside threat or enemy.

Of course, for faction balance...the Seven Kingdoms, I suppose, could unite. Four of the seven kingdoms have been successfully restored - Stormwind, Stromgarde and Kul Tiras, and Gilneas is firmly Alliance-aligned, but while its territorial status remains very vague and unclear, its immediate neighbors (Tol Barad, Southshore, Fenris Keep and Shadowfang Keep) have apparently all been retaken by the Alliance. Perhaps Dalaran could rejoin the Alliance; the blood elves and nightborne could remake Suramar as their own flying city over the Broken Isles, complete with telemancy networks to the other continents. Alterac's remnants could try to rejoin the Alliance in wake of an reunited troll empire as their neighbor. Lordaeron, I'm not sure, the Keep is still blighted - perhaps there could be a split, an internal civil conflict with the remaining territories divided between them, with the living of Lordaeron fighting for Turalyon, and the deceased fighting for Queen Calia Menethil and her troll allies?

P.S. The night elves could also possibly attempt to recreate the Kaldorei Empire. Perhaps they could reunite with the Broken Isles night elves, and other neutral settlements. But as Tyrande is very unlikely to retain her powers after this expansion if she even survives, and their population is implied to be so low, that even all their people working together could not match the Horde-aligned trolls in terms of raw power, let alone a united troll empire standing together.

[Felrane]

Thats Talanji's main goal after joining the Horde is to bring all the tribes back together under the Zandalari. I hope Blizzard does small story patches down the road. It would be cool to have a remastered STV with new questlines/dailys and story similar to what they did in BFA with Darkshore/Arathi.

[Khamnin]

I don't know if they'll be UNDER Talanji, but I fully expect more troll tribes to join with the Horde.

At present, we have the Zandalari Empire, Shatterspear Tribe, Darkspear Tribe and Revantusk Tribe- which means we have Jungle, Forest and Zandalari Trolls so far in the Horde. Though, if I am being honest I do not know whether the "big" tribes such as the Amani will join, moreso we will have the more minor tribes as we already do.

Our playable jungle trolls would be Revantusk and such.

For humans, yes, I think for the most part, all kingdoms will return, barring Lordaeron. Splitting Lordaeron wouldn't really work, and I suspect it'll return to the Forsaken. It, as a kingdom, would still exist- just not for the Alliance.

[OwenBurton]

I don't know if they'll be UNDER Talanji, but I fully expect more troll tribes to join with the Horde.

At present, we have the Zandalari Empire, Shatterspear Tribe, Darkspear Tribe and Revantusk Tribe- which means we have Jungle, Forest and Zandalari Trolls so far in the Horde. Though, if I am being honest I do not know whether the "big" tribes such as the Amani will join, moreso we will have the more minor tribes as we already do.

Our playable jungle trolls would be Revantusk and such.

For humans, yes, I think for the most part, all kingdoms will return, barring Lordaeron. Splitting Lordaeron wouldn't really work, and I suspect it'll return to the Forsaken. It, as a kingdom, would still exist- just not for the Alliance.

The eventual unity of the trolls seems almost inevitable - if you study the history of the game. Almost all the tribes have members allied with the Horde at one point or another.

[Wowplayer2021]

I think inevitably all human/troll kingdoms will join their Alliance/Horde respectively or be wiped out. I hope that doesn't happen though as it would limit possible stories going forwards and could cause each of the individual kingdoms to become a bit homogenized.

[Razion]

United Trolls sound cool.
Not interested in Humans though.

[Hardwing]

I would like to see them joined and playable, but due to gameplay reasons keep areas like Zul'Gurub and Zul'Aman hostile, maybe held by rebels. What I would dislike is introducing them just as a skin option, like they seem to have done with the Dark and Sand Trolls, without any mention on lore ... They have a ton potential customisation options for each sub-race.

I disagree with the notion, that having the Human Nation reunited/recreated is a good balance. Bringing in more Dwarfen Clans(Earthen, Frost, Iron and maybe even Skardyn) seems a better fit, given the customisation.

Yet, the risk of uniting and pacifying such a large part of Azeroth is that the creators run out of space and characters to tell wild tales. Any faction not bound by Horde or Alliance has more potential to develop.

[VinceVega]

Doubt it. The Amani have quite the deep hatred for many of the races on azeroth. And we did not really help it in Zul Aman. And the Gurubashi are sitting in the same boat.

They would maybe consider talking more to the other trolls. But not to the other horde races and most definetly not to the bloodelves.

Humans... well are there more than Stormwind and Kul Tiras?

[Shelly]

The bloodthirsty Witherbark tribe has always refused to join the Horde... and now that the Horde holds Arathi, we will succeed where the Alliance has failed. Drive the forest trolls from the Highlands.

Small problem here.

Horde lost Arathi.

I'd say that they wanted to move all the Horde to Kalimdor and Alliance to the Eastern Kingdoms with new starting zones in the next expansion or so, but Horde lost both Arathi and Darkshore. So they'd need to say that all of Darkshore was corrupted beyond redemption by the Night Elves and that it's caused them and the Worgen to rebuild in probably Gilneas.

Either way given that the Horde lost basically all of BfA they are pretty much confined to southern and eastern kalimdor and don't even have a navy since they lost it in the battle of Daz'Alor.

[sam86]

Doubt it. The Amani have quite the deep hatred for many of the races on azeroth. And we did not really help it in Zul Aman. And the Gurubashi are sitting in the same boat.

They would maybe consider talking more to the other trolls. But not to the other horde races and most definetly not to the bloodelves.

Humans... well are there more than Stormwind and Kul Tiras?

Alterac still exist, also they are now almost pure evil nation, they are the backbone of all thieves/gangs human-based
Dalaran was never pure human nation in first place
Khaz Modan still exist
Only Stormgarde lost (can still be reclaimed), Lordearon is lost forever with its citizen hated by alliance for doing the horrible crime of dare being rezzed as undead, also against their will but alliance don't care
Quel'thalas is lost to blood elves, high elves are too few to reclaim it and they enjoying being treated by alliance like shit over doing anything else (best stockholm syndrome ever)
Gilneas should be easily reclaimed, in fact no one is even there lorewise, why no gilnean returned?

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Small problem here.

Horde lost Arathi.

I'd say that they wanted to move all the Horde to Kalimdor and Alliance to the Eastern Kingdoms with new starting zones in the next expansion or so, but Horde lost both Arathi and Darkshore. So they'd need to say that all of Darkshore was corrupted beyond redemption by the Night Elves and that it's caused them and the Worgen to rebuild in probably Gilneas.

Either way given that the Horde lost basically all of BfA they are pretty much confined to southern and eastern kalimdor and don't even have a navy since they lost it in the battle of Daz'Alor.

what blizz tried to do in cata was balance number of zones controlled by both faction, but alliance qq was so high that blizz just made them take most of world because orcs aren't native to azeroth, of course trolls predate every other alliance race in first place, every other horde race is native and alliance have aliens too but fuck it blizz is biased because they actually dared to make zones equal between factions

[Shelly]

Alterac still exist, also they are now almost pure evil nation, they are the backbone of all thieves/gangs human-based
Dalaran was never pure human nation in first place
Khaz Modan still exist
Only Stormgarde lost (can still be reclaimed), Lordearon is lost forever with its citizen hated by alliance for doing the horrible crime of dare being rezzed as undead, also against their will but alliance don't care
Quel'thalas is lost to blood elves, high elves are too few to reclaim it and they enjoying being treated by alliance like shit over doing anything else (best stockholm syndrome ever)
Gilneas should be easily reclaimed, in fact no one is even there lorewise, why no gilnean returned?

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what blizz tried to do in cata was balance number of zones controlled by both faction, but alliance qq was so high that blizz just made them take most of world because orcs aren't native to azeroth, of course trolls predate every other alliance race in first place, every other horde race is native and alliance have aliens too but fuck it blizz is biased because they actually dared to make zones equal between factions

And the mind control, and the slavery, and the torture, and the biological weapons, and the experimenting on humans.

Really hate the Cata rework of the Forsaken.

They are not a nice, pleasant or good race of creatures. They lack any attachment to the mortal coil and as such view mortals/regular people/sentients as just so much meat to toy with. Yes there are some that feel differently but until Cata came and reworked things they were considered the minority and typically were members of things like the Argent Dawn rather than the Forsaken.

Like log into classic and just spend some time hanging around the Undercity. They literally have mind controlled slaves walking around and an entire plagueworks.

The Forsaken at the Wrathgate were the true face of the undead and Varimathris was just a patsy. At least they fixed that with Legion.

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Regarding the second half, here's a fun thing.

Horde just straight up lost.

They were also meant to lose narratively.

Sylvannas literally pushed the Horde into a war it couldn't win to fuel her aims in the Shadowlands.

You can call it bad writing or blame Christie Golden or whatever, but there is a very direct theme that connects every expansion and can be followed pretty easily.

Not a fan of the various retcons throughout and I very much doubt there's a masterplan of "meta-lore" but the plot line is there.

[sam86]

And the mind control, and the slavery, and the torture, and the biological weapons, and the experimenting on humans

1- literally none of that happened before alliance hated them, check official wow lore, it is like blaming someone u cut his hand for hating u, forsaken just bite really hard
2- again zero mind control, that was a beta quest in cata and removed, yet everyone treat it official for some reason (wtf u talking about mind slave in classic? show me which npc is mind slaved? Or u talking about mind control priest practice?)
3- everyone torture, even the 'holiest' Turalyon does that, but since he is alliance of course it isn't wrong and it is light favored
4- forsaken pure hatred towards the living is because how the living treated them as soon they gained their free will, a high chance forsaken would never been evil if they were treated descent by the ppl they loved, some forsaken embraced the light and others even joined Argent Dawn (I admit that is exception), most forsaken however are chaotic unstable, and they are no doubt the most playable race with evil in it, but if u'll count species in general as usual no one beats the alliance by miles (in case u don't know, draenei are literally eredar just run away and doomed others)
5- u talking about how bfa ruined what happened in cata? btw blizz already ruined cata before even mop came, in their 'horde bias' they couldn't keep alliance not superior in zones more than 1 exp (as for why they didn't that in game, because they aren't stupid to waste resources to show that)

[Shelly]

1- literally none of that happened before alliance hated them, check official wow lore, it is like blaming someone u cut his hand for hating u, forsaken just bite really hard
2- again zero mind control, that was a beta quest in cata and removed, yet everyone treat it official for some reason (wtf u talking about mind slave in classic? show me which npc is mind slaved? Or u talking about mind control priest practice?)
3- everyone torture, even the 'holiest' Turalyon does that, but since he is alliance of course it isn't wrong and it is light favored
4- forsaken pure hatred towards the living is because how the living treated them as soon they gained their free will, a high chance forsaken would never been evil if they were treated descent by the ppl they loved, some forsaken embraced the light and others even joined Argent Dawn (I admit that is exception), most forsaken however are chaotic unstable, and they are no doubt the most playable race with evil in it, but if u'll count species in general as usual no one beats the alliance by miles (in case u don't know, draenei are literally eredar just run away and doomed others)
5- u talking about how bfa ruined what happened in cata? btw blizz already ruined cata before even mop came, in their 'horde bias' they couldn't keep alliance not superior in zones more than 1 exp (as for why they didn't that in game, because they aren't stupid to waste resources to show that)

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[Combatbutler]

Nope, it would give humans more spotlight and they are already utterly over represented. We need less humans, not more.

[sam86]

i love how all ur answers are a pop culture reference to Fable, next u'll use Ricole Nichie as reference to show that ghosts hunt their killers
btw u also ignored all other questions, the biggest one in first place is alliance started it first not horde

[OwenBurton]

I think inevitably all human/troll kingdoms will join their Alliance/Horde respectively or be wiped out. I hope that doesn't happen though as it would limit possible stories going forwards and could cause each of the individual kingdoms to become a bit homogenized.

Or perhaps more diversified. For example, the Zandalari have a much older and richer culture than the Darkspear trolls, arguably, and are probably much more popular and interesting, they feel almost like two entirely separate races and distinct cultures. Perhaps the Amani trolls would offer a similar option, especially if they put aside the past and became allies with Silvermoon.

Look at the Gilneans, they were able to bring a new interesting twist to humans that made them more popular than gnomes, dwarves and pandaren, according to the recent stats, the 4th most popular Alliance race.

Generally, Lightforged draenei, mechagnomes and dark iron dwarves seem more interesting than draenei, gnomes and dwarves - and the same applies for the Mag'har and the Highmountain (although admittedly most of their racials are fairly terrible).

[Narwhalosh Whalescream]

It'd be cool to see Gilneas restored. Or Gnomeregan. Or Quel'thalas dead side...
Any year now...

[Maljinwo]

I would love that, but blizzard would kill off its king/queen as killing troll leaders quickly is a sport for them

[Magister of Quelthalas]

My answer depend hugely on the availability of playable Forest Trolls.

[Varitok]

All 15 trolls that are left would have to vote unanimously for it though.