Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. There is nothing more or else to it, and there never has been, in any place or time. --Frank Wilhoit
This is kind of stupid. The lawsuit isn't just about white men in leadership positions. That's the diversity portion. The other porition, about misconduct toward female employees, encompasses Alex Afrasiabi's behavior which is why they mentioned him.
I mean, did you read the lawsuit, or are you just reading web articles? And honestly, if you did read the lawsuit, with all the shit in it, this is the (quite incorrect) nugget you decide to take from it?
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You are missing the point that they see a connection between the two.
Women aren't in the very top position, are paid less in both in higher roles and in general, and there's a strong suggestion that this is connected to the misconduct against women, including retaliation when reporting (e.g., lower salary and lower chance of promotion).
I mean, did you read the lawsuit, or are you just reading web articles?
Even if that was the case, which it isn't, but even if it was it still has nothing to do with your desperate desire to drag Alex Afrasiabi's race into this. Well, your desperate attempt to cling to the fact/idea that Alex Afrasiabi isn't a white man.
I mean, it's like on page three of the lawsuit where they talk about retaliation for complaints about harassment and none of it involves 'lower chance of promotion' or 'lower salary.' It's also pay cuts, not lower salaries. Salaries are negotiated at the start of employment or point of promotion/raises. If your pay is reduced, its a cut.
So yeah, you clearly didn't read it and you're trying to invent your own issues with it. You're one of those weirdos.
Or will this be the day when the idiots who buy into woke shit, realize they're being used for profits
They really don't. It's ironic how Blizzard pushes it on it's players, changes their games to be "inclusive", fire/replace the voice actor of Kael'thas and yet at their core, they're exactly what they're criticizing others for.
It's like when celebrities tell common folk to use less gas and go green, then fly on a private jet to an award show to pat themselves on the back. Maybe the woke folk will wake up to these companies using them.
Debating someone's race or roots due to their complexion is far from appropriate and needs to cease now.
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What 'woke shit' did Blizzard push on their players?
How did they change their games to be more inclusive?
And no, replacing a voice actor involved in a controversy is not 'woke,' it's a good business decision to distance yourself from controversy, so let's not include that.
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Technically they don't use those words, but:
It's page 4 (and 11-14) where they talk about women in general having lower salary and lower chance of promotion.
It's page 5, 16, 22-23 where they talk about retaliations including denial of projects, denial of professional opportunities, and negative performance reviews. What do you think the result of that is?
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Most of us would love to see such a shakedown in most companies, both private and state-owned. This is a plague upon both private and public sectors and affects pretty much everyone, regardless of their sex. If it is a problem on level 7 EQF, I can imagine how bad it can get in a private corporate environment in the US.
I assume it is worse for women in gaming than it is for men, because men obviously dominate the industry. It happens to men in other sectors too.
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for western players? pride.
quite funny to see the contrast between blizzard games and events in the west and here. like overwatch league, pride all over the place in broadcast for the us and europe. for korea? not mentioned at all, because it would cause more backlash than in europe or usa and give them bad publicity here, where in europe or usa people would rage at those who complain about pride.
I don't know if governments or corporations are the worst in general.
Many corporations have a strong incentive to deliver something that people will actually pay for, and ruthlessly cut away some problems.
"Dominate" can mean different things.
One of the problems is that many of the women weren't hard-core gamers (or drinkers), and there seems to be some idea that playing video game at work (even outside of dedicated testing) was desirable in the employee. Part of that may also be a problem with the fan-base - look at the vitriol towards Bobby Kotick when he allegedly said he didn't play games (due to lack of time).
Oh, and it happened to at least one man at Blizzard as well.
They are two issues, but they are related in terms of sexism, which is why they are part of the same law-suit.
Technically there are even more issues as the sexual misconduct, and the retaliation for reporting sexual misconduct are listed separately.
In the quote below can you identify what is sexual misconduct and what is gender discrimination, and do you see a strict line between those two clearly different issues, or do you see that those issues are part of a bigger issue?
Male employees proudly come into work hungover, play video games for long periods of time during work while delegating their responsibilities to female employees, engage in banter about the sexual encounters, talk openly about female bodies, and joke about rape
The statement they made was that the few women who do make it to executive level earn less than their male peers. That's a fact, they don't have to prove it. So they made their point.
The only thing they have to prove is women of specific job titles across the company were not paid as much as their male counterparts. That will be real easy to prove or disprove when records are requested, assuming they don't already have them.
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The existence of gays, people with autism, and transgender people in a video game is pushing 'woke shit' on people?
Or is it changing their games to be more inclusive?