[Movies] Avengers v The Dark Knight Rises

[Deleted]

After walking out of the cinema after watching the Avengers i was thinking this is one of the best movies ive seen in a while (obviously films of recent years havent been great, but still). Then i remembered The Dark Knight Rises is coming out in the not too distant future, and because The Dark Knight was and is my favourite film of all time currently and i dont see any way for it to be bad.

My question is to you all, and i ask you to think for at least a minute about it as i expect most will vote the Avengers just because its recent and still fresh in peoples minds.. which do you think will be the better film and which will do better commercially.

[conscript]

I think DKR is going to be the better movie assuming it lives up the TDK which it should. Commercially though, it is going to be tough to beat the Avengers first two weeks here. It smashed Harry Potter 7.5 into the dirt with the opening weekend record. $200 million+ is insane. That is going to be hard for DKR to beat, but it could be possible for sure. The international level of success for the Avengers is what I think will end up putting it slightly ahead commercially though. It is amazing how well that movie has done so far.

[Sargerus]

1st- this thread will not end well
2nd- TDKR is still 2 months from release

[IIamaKing]

TDKR = Better film.

Avengers = Larger commercial success.

Though I am not sure TDKR may be equal to Avengers in success. I do think Avengers has broader appeal so I assume it will do better in the long run.

I think The new Batman movies are better to all the Marvel things of late. Not to say I think the Marvel movies are bad by any means.

[Arrowstormen]

I think a lot of people is going to fall into the trap that it's talking about the Dark Knight, and not Dark Knight Rises. But it should too, since DKR isn't even released yet, and COULD be a total letdown after Dark Knight.

But it's really two different kinds of movies. The Avengers is a total action movie, and while it has a plot, then the action is the real core. The Batman Trilogy obviously has action, but the plot has more center. It really comes down to what you like the most. Personally, I'm the biggest fan of plot.

[Maruka]

batman will be a better movie but surely wont have the box office power avengers had. both will be great movies so its a win/win for fans

[Clockwork Pinkie]

I see Nolan's version of Batman for the dark, stylish and usually twisted stories he tells. Not because it's batman, but because the director behind it, the composer doing the music, the writers doing the script, and everyone else behind the set giving it their best not just making another blockbuster that looks the same. I see The Avengers to get my dose of the exact opposite, the one liners, the action, not really paying attention to the script, but still following the story while looking for Easter eggs from past and for furutre movies, and the best part about this, I enjoy both of them without any ounce of hate towards either of them. Avengers was great, and I believe Nolan will not fail in bringing us an excellent conclusion to his Dark Knight triology.

TL;DR To answers your question. The Avengers will make more due to the science of there being more than one hero on camera. Fans of Thor, Iron Man, Captain America and The Hulk team together to see this movie, while on the other hand, only Batman and Nolan fans + people just wanting to see how it ends will be seeing this. And I will have to hold off judgement on what will be a better movie. If batman dies, it will be legendary.

[Deleted]

I wasn't a fan of the Avengers, I honestly don't get where all the hype is coming from it all felt to ''Hollywood'' for me, by that I mean it's full of cheesy scenes and lines followed by a ton of CGI that even Transformers would be proud of, It was good seeing all the hero's in one movie I suppose but that was the only positive thing for me.

I voted for Batman anyway I loved the first 2 in the trilogy and hope he can rap the series up with a proper ending.

[Sesethi]

it's difficult comparing these 2 movies... Avengers was intended to be a blockbuster, it's a group of super heroes fighting bad guys, interacting with each other and having fun, you know they won't lose, hell the armies Loki brought to invade Earth were so weak that they usually died with one hit, that's it. The Dark knight saga by Nolan focus more on developing the characters and adding a more realistic feel to the super hero theme, you're invested on what's happening to Gotham and their people.

[OrcsRLame]

I have no idea which will do better commercially. As for which one I prefer, The Avengers by far. The Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises just don't appeal to me the same way The Avengers does. They're too mundane for my tastes. I love The Avengers because it explores the cosmic and mystical side of Marvel. Though The Avengers 2 will likely go further in that direction.

Imo, the only way DC could match the current story arc going on in the Marvel Cinematic Universe would be if they made a movie about The Crisis on Infinite Earths. They don't like to touch that with a 50 foot pole though, so I doubt it'll ever happen. And it's understandable somewhat, as it technically wouldn't be able to fit in their continuity because due to the nature of the event the alternate universe excuse doesn't work.

[Deleted]

I'm more and more worried about The Dark Knight rises, I just have a feeling I'm going to be dissapointed.

Avengers certainly put the bar pretty high, and the only thing that could counter it IMO is a Justice League series. (But Warner being dipshits and not knowing how to handle anything other than Batman, that'll probably never happen...)

[Shinzai]

The Dark Knight is the highest grossing 'superhero' (comic book hero, whatever definition you want to use) film of all time ($533mil), followed with quite a large gap by the Spider Man films ($403mil for Spidey 1 and lower for the others). Batman is probably the far more widely recognised hero out of them all. The Avengers is designed as a nerdgasm of a flick, with a specific built-in audience, where as Nolan's Batman films have wide ranging appeal and are watched even by people with no interest in the comic book origins of the characters.

TL;DR, TDKR will win by a landslide.

Edit: In fact, I'd actually pitch TDKR vs The Amazing Spiderman movie that's due this year.

[shootyadead]

There is only one problem I foresee withe Dark Knight Rises.....there's no Heath Ledger. At most we see Bane and Catwoman as the villains. Let's be honest, neither of the compare in any way to the Joker. I see DKR as a damn good movie, but I think Avengers is the bigger success. And honestly, who can compete with Downey Jr? The guy's just freaking awesome.

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I'm more and more worried about The Dark Knight rises, I just have a feeling I'm going to be dissapointed.

Avengers certainly put the bar pretty high, and the only thing that could counter it IMO is a Justice League series. (But Warner being dipshits and not knowing how to handle anything other than Batman, that'll probably never happen...)

I dont' see any way they could make a JLA movie that would be successful. You just know they'd cast a bunch of new people as the heroes instead of using the existing characters (ie. Tom Welling as Super, etc etc.) While I'd love to see JLA, I just dont' think they could/would do it right, as you said, Warner is dipshits.

---------- Post added 2012-05-09 at 11:04 AM ----------

The Dark Knight is the highest grossing 'superhero' (comic book hero, whatever definition you want to use) film of all time ($533mil), followed with quite a large gap by the Spider Man films ($403mil for Spidey 1 and lower for the others). Batman is probably the far more widely recognised hero out of them all. The Avengers is designed as a nerdgasm of a flick, with a specific built-in audience, where as Nolan's Batman films have wide ranging appeal and are watched even by people with no interest in the comic book origins of the characters.

TL;DR, TDKR will win by a landslide.

Edit: In fact, I'd actually pitch TDKR vs The Amazing Spiderman movie that's due this year.

TDK was in fact the highest grossing Comic Hero movie of all time. However due to the fact that Avengers broke +200 mil in just it's first 3 days, I'd say it's not gonna be long before it is, in fact, the highest grossing Hero film ever.

[Skorpionss]

It is hard to decide, these too are like on different ends of the same stick... one is on the light-hearted humorous side while batman is on the darker more serious side. Although I am inclined more towards Avengers it's mainly because I don't really like how they did Bane ... + no joker ... Bane was supposed to be this buffed up steroid junkie and instead he's no bigger than a normal guy...

[Deleted]

It is hard to decide, these too are like on different ends of the same stick... one is on the light-hearted humorous side while batman is on the darker more serious side. Although I am inclined more towards Avengers it's mainly because I don't really like how they did Bane ... + no joker ... Bane was supposed to be this buffed up steroid junkie and instead he's no bigger than a normal guy...

Hes definately bigger than this 'normal' guy but i do see what you mean. Heard a few people joking that Heath ledgers death was a coverup and he comes back in TDKR. I just got excited thinking about it and obviously its complete bullshit but The joker was a huge part of why TDK did so well.

I know a few people say that TDKR wont be as big commercially, but remember it broke the record for opening box office weekend on release too, to be outdone by the new harry potter. Depending on the marketing and if its anything like it was for The Dark Knight i can see it doing better commercially

[Shinzai]

TDK was in fact the highest grossing Comic Hero movie of all time. However due to the fact that Avengers broke +200 mil in just it's first 3 days, I'd say it's not gonna be long before it is, in fact, the highest grossing Hero film ever.

I must admit, I'm curious as to how much The Avenger's opening revenue was boosted by 3D ticket prices. I'm also curious to see if it maintains the opening box office pressure it's generated. No doubt, after the initial 3D viewing, most return viewers will switch over to the cheaper 2D tickets and the initial climb will diminish rapidly.

[Eorayn]

obviously films of recent years havent been great

What. The. Fuck. Dude, seriously?
How many did you watch last year?
There were plenty and plenty of fantastic indies. Same with 2010 and 2009. And 2008 was one of the creates film years since 1997, as was 2007.

OT: The Dark Knight Rises.

The Avengers wasn’t that good. 8/10, NOT MORE. Was like it tried to please it’s audience too much. But I liked how it devoted time to it’s characters instead of action all the way.

[brontosaurust]

Sorry but if your chose The Dark Knight Rises, your idiotic ;], first of all it hasn't even come out, and The Avengers seems like it would be a cluster fuck of a movie, I'll admit, but it was the exact opposite, it was hilarious and everlasting, go see it!

[Deleted]

Sorry but if your chose The Dark Knight Rises, your idiotic ;], first of all it hasn't even come out, and The Avengers seems like it would be a cluster fuck of a movie, I'll admit, but it was the exact opposite, it was hilarious and everlasting, go see it!

By that logic, you shouldn't pick Avengers either because you don't know what the competition is.

[fizzbob]

Hes definately bigger than this 'normal' guy but i do see what you mean. Heard a few people joking that Heath ledgers death was a coverup and he comes back in TDKR. I just got excited thinking about it and obviously its complete bullshit but The joker was a huge part of why TDK did so well.

I know a few people say that TDKR wont be as big commercially, but remember it broke the record for opening box office weekend on release too, to be outdone by the new harry potter. Depending on the marketing and if its anything like it was for The Dark Knight i can see it doing better commercially

it was a great movie. the buzz was PURELY because of the "different approach" and mainly, the joker. the joker was a bad guy for the first time ever and not some rejected clown.

2 and a half men hasn't done as well without charlie sheen and the joker is dead. he's either not in this movie or he's replaced. either way, it's a change that won't help attract people who know or don't know.


people are fickle and i figure it will be a good movie, but it's not competing with avengers on any level. fans of the original joker will choose to NOT LIKE TDKR, fan boys do that all the time.