Covenants arent that bad as you think

[ryjkur]

People cried before launch and still cry you have to swap covenants every time you did different content (m+, raiding, PvP) but this isn't the case for most people and everyone should just pick one and not swapping it every week.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitive...ious_covenant/

Here is long QQ post in reddit during beta that you have to swap every other night if you wanted to to different content but I can tell you: just pick one and stay on it it doesn't matter if it's not the best for PvP or M+ you'll just fine.

[Devilyaki]

Seems more like there is a best one and rest are trash now.

[czarek]

Lol. Conv are great imo. No need to switch between tbh. If u wanna do world race first or other competition maybe u should but its pretty not that bid deal. Just pick that u like ><

[djordan1037]

i agree with you.

[KaPe]

Really now. How about you bring up some more recent posts, which show that some specs overwhelmingly prefer a specific Covenant, to the point where other 3 might not even exist? Even in the case where the Covenants seems equally valued, it can also mean that they're all equally bad (or 'meh' at best) and largely don't matter - pretty much a case for non-Disc priests. There's more than one class where it feels like devs only tested Covenants for one spec, made it kinda-sorta work for others and thought they did a fine job.

What's funny is that those covenant popularity stats are roughly the same across all raiding difficulties. Sure, on Normal, there's slightly less min maxing, but it's still present to a huge degree. So it's not "just 1% of hardcore players will do it", but vastly more widespread.

Also, just because it's not a complete disaster doesn't mean it's working well.

Lol. Conv are great imo. No need to switch between tbh. If u wanna do world race first or other competition maybe u should but its pretty not that bid deal. Just pick that u like ><

Massive performance hits affect people across all difficulty levels and content types. Not to the point where they'd constantly switch Covenants, but they'll prefer to pick "the best" one. Even in normal difficulty raids, which should be fairly casual - but "casual" doesn't mean "I don't mind doing far less damage/having incredibly awkward ability instead of a good one".

[DesoPL]

The only issue is, when comes to alts because you must gather anima for everything seperately. But mainly if you're transmog hunter etc.

[FoxyAnatoliy]

I dont think that they are bad, sry

[ldev]

People cried before launch and still cry you have to swap covenants every time you did different content (m+, raiding, PvP) but this isn't the case for most people and everyone should just pick one and not swapping it every week.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitive...ious_covenant/

Here is long QQ post in reddit during beta that you have to swap every other night if you wanted to to different content but I can tell you: just pick one and stay on it it doesn't matter if it's not the best for PvP or M+ you'll just fine.

Covenants are far worse than you think. Here's why - start playing Necrolord Demon Hunter, Necrolord Holy/Prot Paladin, Night Fae Shadow Priest. Then try actually good covenants with those specs, and tell me again how covenants are not failure.

Covenants are shit.

It's all fine and dandy if your covenant is actually good. But if you wanna Necrolord plate and you play Paladin or Warrior - oh people dislike covenants, and for good reason.

Covenants were a mistake, abilities should have been a talent row.

[Makabreska]

Such an insane rage about Covs before release, and almost complete radio silence after. release Shows you how much it actually affected player base. Same with AoE cap.

[kranur]

Yeah they are .. should have just let covenants be cosmetic only and have the powers available by some hub in Oribos. That way everyone could just pick whatever they LIKED without having to worry that they will underperfrom.

[Specialka]

I am just lucky that the NF covenants is the best for raid and m+ for my spec.

So they are meh at best.

If it would have not been the case, I would have considered them a complete disaster, they are just a disaster.

[mbit]

Such an insane rage about Covs before release, and almost complete radio silence after. Shows you how much it actually affected player base

Or everyone with 2 braincells understands they wont fundamentally change it anymore and its a waste of time complaining.

[kosajk]

would say that strongly depends what you play,
i love venthyrs on my enh for all content although would prefer to have necro lords as resto offspec.

Can i play with venthyr as resto and do ok? yes. (would be totally ok if it would be instant for all specs)
Do i feel im missing something by not having possibility to use necro lords as resto? Also yes.
It`s not a big deal for me as i don`t really care about having 110% performance as things i want to do are doable on 90% although its strange to have to chose and always something will be gimped a bit in the end.

[Razion]

I'm finding Covenants fine if some dull others great. imo Halls were better, Artifacts were better, and Covs turned out better than Azerite and corruption for some but for others worse.

[Zephire]

Such an insane rage about Covs before release, and almost complete radio silence after. release Shows you how much it actually affected player base. Same with AoE cap.

Don't know about that. Could also be that we get used to things and maybe lose hope that what was loudly heard in beta won't be fixed no matter how much more we scream. Silence doesn't mean there isn't a problem (or that there are a problem). It only means that we don't see/hear about it, for whatever reason.

I don't like Covenants, or rather, the system of picking one. I like freedom to mess around with abilities and combinations and switching from one to another or back is just too complicated and takes too much time. Maybe it's a great thing from the RPG prespective, maybe I don't feel like I have the time to grind any more or have played the game for so long that I feel like I've done that so many times and don't want to do it again. Might very well be a "me" problem :P

[Pawpurr]

Realistically, I see tons of people in PUGs with whatever. For most specs it's not a big deal. Gamers will be gamers and choose the "Right answer" most often, but most people really don't care that much - No where near as much as your ilvl and IO scores, for example.

There are ridiculous outliers on either side and Blizzard is working their way thru those with little balance nudges.

I'm more interested in what happens to covenants in the patch that follows. In BFA, we'd kind of just drop the old system and replace it with a new one. In Legion character progression flowed together with the order hall more. Will Blizz double down on Covenant progression, or invent a new hamster wheel to run in for the next patch? What if they do it all over again and make us chose between 4 broker cartels or something?

[Makabreska]

Or everyone with 2 braincells understands they wont fundamentally change it anymore and its a waste of time complaining.

Don't know about that. Could also be that we get used to things and maybe lose hope that what was loudly heard in beta won't be fixed no matter how much more we scream. Silence doesn't mean there isn't a problem (or that there are a problem). It only means that we don't see/hear about it, for whatever reason.

Almost all the insane amount of complains on MMO-C/Reddit/Youtube immediately cut off with SL launch, with a playerbase that complains 24/7 (loot being now the big one)? Yeah, sure.

[Orwell7]

I've invited a 1.1k R.Io, 215 ilvl DK.
He was a Night Fae Unholy DK. Did 3.0k dps overall... pathetic. Also died almost every pack because Spiteful.

Bad players are gonna be bad, if you see a non-meta covenant pick (because said player didn't bother to read up), try to see it as naked females in Stormwind begging for gold. A fun little show in the game, but do not try to do harder content with them!

[Makabreska]

I've invited a 1.1k R.Io, 215 ilvl DK.
He was a Night Fae Unholy DK. Did 3.0k dps overall... pathetic. Also died almost every pack because Spiteful.

Bad players are gonna be bad, if you see a non-meta covenant pick (because said player didn't bother to read up), try to see it as naked females in Stormwind begging for gold. A fun little show in the game, but do not try to do harder content with them!

Constantly dying, and therefore having low dps overall is not linked to your Cov.

[ldev]

Such an insane rage about Covs before release, and almost complete radio silence after. release Shows you how much it actually affected player base. Same with AoE cap.

Because what can player base tell to people like you?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st...s&difficulty=4
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You think that there were literally zero paladins, zero demon hunters, zero hunters, zero druids, zero monks, zero rogues, zero warlocks, zero warriors who raid HEROIC (not tryharding mythic, just heroic...) and who didn't enjoy Necrolords. Did not enjoy representing covenant that is the muscle of shadowlands. Did not enjoy Primus. Did not enjoy abomination factory. Did not want Necrolords transmogs. Did not want Abominable title.

Like, what the fuck, you're completely out of touch.

No, player base just skipped covenants they wanted to play and are radio silent, because big brains like you can only respond "play what you want blizz will tune the numbers", when it's the ability design that's a complete failure.