valor for casual

[kaintk]

if you dont do any mm+, valor you gain with wq and some quest has any purpose ?

they are only to upgrade mm+ stuff right ? nothing to buy with them ?

[WowIsDead64]

Forget about casuals. Every aspect of SL is broken, but only hardcore endgame gets fixes. Casuals aren't needed in this game anymore.

1) Torghast isn't self-sustained content. It doesn't have reward structure. Same problem, as with Isle Expeditions. You can do it for legendary. But if you don't need legendary, then only option is - doing it just for the sake of doing it.
2) WQs are only needed for anima, but anima grind is just rep grind 2.0. And I wasn't doing rep grinds exactly because they were unrewarding. Anima grind is even worse. It's considered xpack-wide grind. And therefore it suffers from BFA's syndrome. I.e. you can't do it on alts. And doing it on main only is pointless.
3) Only option remaining - to level alts. But it's so called "unlimited" content, i.e. not time-gated. It causes burning out, if it's way too tedious. And it's tedious without flying.

[Gratlim]

They do not care about casuals. Or more like they want to force you in e-sport content you should hate as a mmorpg player, like M+ or Arena. You need m+ to upgrade pve gear and arena to upgrade pvp gear.

[angrys13]

They do not care about casuals. Or more like they want to force you in e-sport content you should hate as a mmorpg player, like M+ or Arena. You need m+ to upgrade pve gear and arena to upgrade pvp gear.

This was a solution implemented to assist in those fields, where problems existed in the gearing method(s).

Casuals can easily obtain gear for a casual playstyle and therefore do not have issues to resolve, making your first comment about hating casuals seem a little silly.

[schwarzkopf]

Casuals can easily obtain gear for a casual playstyle

Q. So how does a casual obtain high end gear?
A. Before 9.0.5 - by doing their M10 key each week and waiting for the vault each week.
A. After 9.0.5 - they can't.

[Baine]

Casual here. Mains are 197 and 194. Don't care about valor. My only way to gear up atm is world bosses and bonus event. Not interested in raiding and M+. I have lvl 2 legendary on my Horde main. Not interested to go further at that price. I don't have any legendary on my Alliance main. Not interested to get one much. I only run Torghast for the emissary. I don't think is broken. I still have plenty to do and I have a blast.

[Flatspriest]

Yeah, I've noticed that the WQs for anima don't give as much anymore. Where one would give 70 prior to 9.0.5, now gives 35 anima only. There are also a lot fewer WQs that give anima now. Didn't Blizz say they were going to make it less grindy to get anima with this patch?

[fatgunn]

Q. So how does a casual obtain high end gear?
A. Before 9.0.5 - by doing their M10 key each week and waiting for the vault each week.
A. After 9.0.5 - they can't.

the vault still gives the same gear as before the patch......

[Zmagoslav]

Yes, that's the entire point of valor.
The minor amount you get from completing your emissaries is just blizzard's way of a cross-sale. Ergo; they are trying to entice the M+ player to also spend some time doing WQs (changing activities and pace of gameplay has a positive effect on the user experience and prolongs it).

Q. So how does a casual obtain high end gear?
A. Before 9.0.5 - by doing their M10 key each week and waiting for the vault each week.
A. After 9.0.5 - they can't.

That aspect didn't change in the slightest... i don't know what you are on about.
The only change in this regard is that they can now also use valor to upgrade the end-of-dungeon loot to 207 (given they have the achievement)

Yeah, I've noticed that the WQs for anima don't give as much anymore. Where one would give 70 prior to 9.0.5, now gives 35 anima only. There are also a lot fewer WQs that give anima now. Didn't Blizz say they were going to make it less grindy to get anima with this patch?

Where did you get that?
The amount of anima tokens you got from WQ was never set in stone.
One day a WQ would award 4 tokens, another it would award 1 token.

[Lolites]

That aspect didn't change in the slightest... i don't know what you are on about.
The only change in this regard is that they can now also use valor to upgrade the end-of-dungeon loot to 207 (given they have the achievement)

213 if they have all M+10

[potis]

TLDR of the first posts again.

"I refuse to do the content but i want the gear either way, therefor Blizzard is ignoring casuals".

If Blizzard was ignoring the casuals, there wouldnt be 3 different unlocks for M+ and valor, but one at +15, but yes, your entitled brain cant think things through properly.

Valor system was added for the people that already -actually- play the game, to reduce the RNG of the vault to get their last pieces to a higher ilvl without breaking the system again, not for you "BUT I DONT WANT TO PLAY THE GAME, DONT TELL ME HOW TO PLAY, I PAY THE SAME MONEY, REEEEEEE" to get magical 226 items out of nowhere.

Its there so you guys that should supposedly be trying to play the game properly and improve over time, to get your items from 184 to 200, and eventually to 207, and eventually to 220, but nope, you need to be on the forum while doing irrelevant in-game stuff and complain about it instead.

And yes, the system was broken, i know you guys cant grasp why because you never actually played at that level, but the 1% could literally make their alt outgear the 99% in less than 5 hours with some basic luck and armor class stacking, without luck it just took a few more hours and that was the last few expansions, at least now the alts dont reach almost max ilvl in less than a week.

[lozza]

If you at least have the milestone achievement(s) you can upgrade M0 gear to wherever you are capped at. So if you dont like M+ you can just run the M0's and start upgrading that gear as and when you get it

[dacoolist]

Ill likely be going for a 2h - specificly one for ret and upgrading it to 220. I could do a 220 from arena but I’m way way to lazy to grind about 35 wins just to get it at this point.. I’d rather spec for ret and get the 220 for my offspec just naturally by doing my weekly 4x 15’s

[Lahis]

Q. So how does a casual obtain high end gear?
A. Before 9.0.5 - by doing their M10 key each week and waiting for the vault each week.
A. After 9.0.5 - they can't.

Literally nothing has changed for them. They still can do everything they did before 9.0.5

[Nalam the Venom]

if you dont do any mm+, valor you gain with wq and some quest has any purpose ?

they are only to upgrade mm+ stuff right ? nothing to buy with them ?

Just

Toss a token to your booster
O' Valley of Plenty
O' Valley of Plenty, oh
Toss a token to Your booster
O' Valley of Plenty

Easy 226 vault every week even as casual

[Sofo1]

Q. So how does a casual obtain high end gear?
A. Before 9.0.5 - by doing their M10 key each week and waiting for the vault each week.
A. After 9.0.5 - they can't.

Wait. Why would a casual obtain high end gear without doing the content?

[WowIsDead64]

TLDR of the first posts again.

"I refuse to do the content but i want the gear either way, therefor Blizzard is ignoring casuals".

If Blizzard was ignoring the casuals, there wouldnt be 3 different unlocks for M+ and valor, but one at +15, but yes, your entitled brain cant think things through properly.

Valor system was added for the people that already -actually- play the game, to reduce the RNG of the vault to get their last pieces to a higher ilvl without breaking the system again, not for you "BUT I DONT WANT TO PLAY THE GAME, DONT TELL ME HOW TO PLAY, I PAY THE SAME MONEY, REEEEEEE" to get magical 226 items out of nowhere.

Its there so you guys that should supposedly be trying to play the game properly and improve over time, to get your items from 184 to 200, and eventually to 207, and eventually to 220, but nope, you need to be on the forum while doing irrelevant in-game stuff and complain about it instead.

And yes, the system was broken, i know you guys cant grasp why because you never actually played at that level, but the 1% could literally make their alt outgear the 99% in less than 5 hours with some basic luck and armor class stacking, without luck it just took a few more hours and that was the last few expansions, at least now the alts dont reach almost max ilvl in less than a week.

I don't want to do M+ because I hate time runs. May be I would do M0, but catch-up gear is 197 and it's perfectly enough for me. And if there wouldn't be this catch-up gear (Blizzard regret implementing it, because it "devalues" other gear, like that well known "+5 ilvl" WQ gear and heroic gear with nerfed drop rates), I wouldn't even play SL, because it would be BFA 2.0 with it's "9.1/9.2/9.3/etc. implements new content and you can't do it on alts due to way too sloooooooooooooooooow catching up and requirement to do way too overtuned content to actually catch-up, like Nazjatar for example".

[ClassicPeon]

Q. So how does a casual obtain high end gear?
A. Before 9.0.5 - by doing their M10 key each week and waiting for the vault each week.
A. After 9.0.5 - they can't.

Wtf? :P

Why cant you? What has changed in that regard lol?

Defining a casual as someone who does a +10.

What if another casual doesnt do m+ at all?

What if another casual does a +15 each week.


Sense, it makes none.

- - - Updated - - -

I don't want to do M+ because I hate time runs. May be I would do M0, but catch-up gear is 197 and it's perfectly enough for me. And if there wouldn't be this catch-up gear (Blizzard regret implementing it, because it "devalues" other gear, like that well known "+5 ilvl" WQ gear and heroic gear with nerfed drop rates), I wouldn't even play SL, because it would be BFA 2.0 with it's "9.1/9.2/9.3/etc. implements new content and you can't do it on alts due to way too sloooooooooooooooooow catching up and requirement to do way too overtuned content to actually catch-up, like Nazjatar for example".

So there is no problem then. Good to know

/thread

[potis]

I don't want to do M+ because I hate time runs. May be I would do M0, but catch-up gear is 197 and it's perfectly enough for me. And if there wouldn't be this catch-up gear (Blizzard regret implementing it, because it "devalues" other gear, like that well known "+5 ilvl" WQ gear and heroic gear with nerfed drop rates), I wouldn't even play SL, because it would be BFA 2.0 with it's "9.1/9.2/9.3/etc. implements new content and you can't do it on alts due to way too sloooooooooooooooooow catching up and requirement to do way too overtuned content to actually catch-up, like Nazjatar for example".

Then nothing is wrong with the game and as always your (the players, not you specifically) mentality are the problem.

The game is at a literal state where its a mix of old and new, without the new hinderances aka irrelevant AP farming of the last 2 expansions, you can literally do whatever you want, and you get freebie gear.

The problem is, you guys dont want progression systems you want "I PLAYED 15 HOURS THIS WEEK, NOW GIVE ME AN UPGRADE", which doesnt really work that way, and never had.

[Lahis]

That said...even if I would just do WQs...I would still be happy to be able to buy better gear with valor. But I kind of expect we get either new Covenant gear or can upgrade our existing beyond 7/7

The 9.0.5 Valor implementation is stopgap put in place to alleviate biggest problems now instead of 3 months from now when 9.1 comes.

In 9.1 they can add Justice/Valor vendor or some other upgradeable gear sources, but that will be Season 2 catch up systems.