Threat - still need some advice.

[AdrianCC100]

I have made a thread a few weeks back about threat. I am still seeking some advice and some tips from those Death Knights who LOL at the DPS trying to pull the boss off you.

I am Blood tank and I own Hysteria for my sexy feral Druid who pulls 11,000DPS almost every fight that I cast it on him. I also have DRW since I read that it stacks onto your threat as well.

If I had to guess what my average TPS was on a boss fight, I'd have to say anywhere between 6.000 to 8,000. Really not that good for a Death Knight. If I get some good crits in a row I will run my threat up to 13,000.

I want to pull at least 10,000 or more on average and I am not sure what I am doing wrong. There are some DPS in my guild that pull 9,000 to 10,000TPS, good thing they know how to watch their threat or else they would have pulled off me.

My rotation is:

Icy touch, Plague Strike, Heart Strike, Heart Strike, Death Strike, then I will cast a Death coil, another Death Strike, then four more heart strikes and I do it all over again.

Perhaps that is a bad rotation? I need all the advice I can get.

[Bllets]

Link to your DK? (:

[AdrianCC100]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...r&cn=B%C3%ACnd

I've been gone for 3 months, just recently started getting back into raiding so I have been trying hard to gear myself up. But as you can see I have been gemming some slots for hit because with some new armor, I lost a lot of hit. But even before that I was at 5 to 6% hit and still having TPS issues.

[mhp]

Did you macro rune strike to every single one of your non-RP abilities?

If not, do so. And only death coil when you have know you'll have enough RP for RS would it pop up the next moment.

RS is godly. Macro it.

[AdrianCC100]

Yes, I have RS macro to all my spells I use.

[traein]

to be honest with the changes to icy touch, i would always use the death runes for icy touch i found you get a bit more agro with it. unless its on groups i use blood boil for groups as a blood tank =/

[Fictionseven]

last i check IT cannon is the highest tps dk spec

[Zao]

IT cannon is not advised, since you gimp your DPS with it (and it's not really fun either imo)
Although you can weave another IT in your rotation whenever it is needed.
My advise for you would be to cast Hysteria on yourself in the beginning (or someone else than the Feral if he's the only one pulling aggro) and to use ERW after your first set. If possible time DRW right before you reapply diseases for it to give you the maximum TPS.

[Squishie]

Trade Hysteria to your Rogues on pull for TOT stick to the rotation you have a fire off the odd extra Icy Touch when you see. Someone gaining. I know it breaks hearts to not give Hysteria to kittys but a rogue with hysteria on pull and tot just slingshots your threat insanly high.

[Ssith]

Trade Hysteria to your Rogues on pull for TOT stick to the rotation you have a fire off the odd extra Icy Touch when you see. Someone gaining. I know it breaks hearts to not give Hysteria to kittys but a rogue with hysteria on pull and tot just slingshots your threat insanly high.

a Combat (or *shudder* Sub) rogue. do NOT give Hyst to a Mut rogue.

[addhoc]

In this gear you should really be pulling more threat. I would suggest using Omen and Threat Values to get exact threat values from your attacks, other then this fact its ROTATION ROTATION ROTATION. For example using 1 DS and 4 HS's as opposed to the 2 DS's HS system for more threat over the self healing if your topped off.


http://deathknight.info/forum/index.php?topic=8127.0

somewhere in that post Gravity links a site to the addon that tells you the exact threat of the ability you are using. Comes in handy when dealing with rotation issues etc. Everything else that came to mind has seemed to been discussed. Dont ever forget about pally's salv and dont be afraid to call out for a salv on the feral druid or w/e class is approaching your absolute threat threshold and about to pull.

[Fictionseven]

IT cannon is not advised, since you gimp your DPS with it (and it's not really fun either imo)
Although you can weave another IT in your rotation whenever it is needed.
My advise for you would be to cast Hysteria on yourself in the beginning (or someone else than the Feral if he's the only one pulling aggro) and to use ERW after your first set. If possible time DRW right before you reapply diseases for it to give you the maximum TPS.

having your dps be able to start their 12k dps sooner is worth more than a 1k dps loss.

[Zao]

12k DPS at the beginning doesn't help much if he has to hold back because he pulls threat otherwise.

[mhp]

having your dps be able to start their 12k dps sooner is worth more than a 1k dps loss.

You can't really pull off an IT-machinegun at the beginning, as you'll lack the death runes. You can pull of 4xIT at most with ERW. Machine-gun is a tiny bit more than that, and you do need the death runes. By the time you'll get there, it's already unnecessary, most likely.

If you want your DPS to start their massive nuke sooner, you're gonna need MD and/or tricks :P

[ChildeRoland]

Optimal rotation (frost) : IT, IT, BS, BS, PS, PS, IT, IT, IT, IT, IT, PS, PS, rinse and repeat.

[mhp]

Optimal rotation (frost) : IT, IT, BS, BS, PS, PS, IT, IT, IT, IT, IT, PS, PS, rinse and repeat.

If by optimal you mean retarded, then yes. And the OP is Blood, not Frost.

[addhoc]

If by optimal you mean retarded, then yes. And the OP is Blood, not Frost.

Agreed over and over

[Vangor]

Perhaps that is a bad rotation? I need all the advice I can get.

Your hit is disturbingly low. I know you acknowledge this, but you are going to have problems early on by delaying the usage of other abilities and simply not connecting. Get yourself a Citadel Enforcer and the Saronite Swordbreakers. Nothing I can offer on the Glyph or spec as this is pretty well optimal.

I recommend using DnD, VB, and obviously HoW to maintain RP before bosses in order to immediately begin with DRW. Assure someone is MDing to you constantly. If you are actually in trouble with threat, though, do weave in an IT, but this is a stop gap for lack of criticals/avoiding. Also, be vocal for any paladin in your group to salv a target. Finally...consider using Hys on yourself or simply not the druid. Seems odd, but the DPS loss in a 5min fight for a druid is some 2% whereas this will be much higher if people really need to stop to not pull off.

[Apostolic]

If by optimal you mean retarded, then yes. And the OP is Blood, not Frost.

IT Spam is pretty retarded. However, if you are running 10 man group with no MD or ToT opening with ITx2, BSx2, PSx2, then going into your normal rotation I feel is fine. Although I am running a tank spec with IIT. Dang no enhancement shaman to be seen. Like other people said, don't gimp your DPS for retarded amounts of threat. As long as your above the Lock and Furry warrior (highest DPS threat I have seen) you should be fine. I still pull 4k DPS as a tank on non gimmick fights.

[mhp]

Two ITs is hardly spam =)