GW2 Thief Discussion

[Loaf Lord]

Hes already broken, don't make him worse!

I ain't breaking him, I'M DESTROYING HIM!

[Glytch]

I ain't breaking him, I'M DESTROYING HIM!

sorry but in order to make sure people dont get upset when they put a tone into prose i must state my messages in a method that conveys the information while minimizing emotion

otherwise people will be upset at me, and we cant have that can we

[Durzlla]

I ain't breaking him, I'M DESTROYING HIM!

Now now now roggles... If you want to destroy somebody you need to use fire >=D!

FIRE FIXES EVERYTHING! *throws head back and cackles madly as he grabs a flamethrower from Mif's closet*

[Glytch]

updated: OP

uses: reference page for collected data

instructions: look it over, post anything that needs to be added, test things on the list

[DrakeWurrum]

Am I the only one truly frustrated by the relative lack of self-applied boons, let alone the lack of methods to apply boons to allies?

The only ones I can find are trait related. I bring this up primarily because of Acrobatics boosting boon duration. At least some of those major traits include gaining certain boons when dodging or evading...

[PonyCannon]

I didn't really think about it but yea, Thieves are lacking boons for sure.

They do seem to have a lot of conditions though. Maybe that is as compensation? Though that doesn't really make up having a weak line bonus in Acrobatics

[DrakeWurrum]

Well like, there are ways to gain boons, but they are few and far between, and other classes are obviously better at it. I'm just annoyed that Acrobatics is supposedly meant to be beneficial to "booning" and big health pools... but doesn't really support either one.

[PonyCannon]

You have a point. The traits in the line just don't follow the bonuses at all. I really don't know exactly what I would suggest though.

[Glytch]

Am I the only one truly frustrated by the relative lack of self-applied boons, let alone the lack of methods to apply boons to allies?

The only ones I can find are trait related. I bring this up primarily because of Acrobatics boosting boon duration. At least some of those major traits include gaining certain boons when dodging or evading...

i pointed this a few betas ago, thieves are also lacking a weapon that really shines for support, at best it'd be OH pistol for blind (and the fact they have many options to trigger healing CPCs) but they really need to add stuff thats more concrete and reliable

other than that alot of "support" is offensive in nature, or tied specifically to utilities and traits, but not onto weapons

[PonyCannon]

Yea it seems like thieves are really designed for the offensive minded. I'd probably have more interest in the profession if there were support options. Though I don't know how exactly they would work. Maybe something to discuss to get the thread active again (bleh Mesmer and Guardian)

[DrakeWurrum]

i pointed this a few betas ago, thieves are also lacking a weapon that really shines for support, at best it'd be OH pistol for blind (and the fact they have many options to trigger healing CPCs) but they really need to add stuff thats more concrete and reliable

other than that alot of "support" is offensive in nature, or tied specifically to utilities and traits, but not onto weapons

Yes, starting to share this complaint lately. It's why the Elementalist looks so attractive to me, right now, by comparison - because I can be extremely supportive AND extremely offensive.

[solidsheep]

Yes, starting to share this complaint lately. It's why the Elementalist looks so attractive to me, right now, by comparison - because I can be extremely supportive AND extremely offensive.

Not been able to play any of the beta's, but would there be a chance just like classes that come with more support from weapon trait more for dmg. could thieves just be opposite, do more dmg passively and need to trait for support?

[Durzlla]

Not been able to play any of the beta's, but would there be a chance just like classes that come with more support from weapon trait more for dmg. could thieves just be opposite, do more dmg passively and need to trait for support?

I'm gonna guess this because countless times in interviews people crying about no support on thieves are met with "Issy plays a support thief, and we WISH there was no such thing when playing against him" so i'm going to take their word for it, it hasn't failed me yet!!

PS: I have a distinct feeling thief support would be more offensive, like being a lux or morgana support in LoL, you're not supporting how a guardian or elem will with defensive things, you're going to be more shutting down the enemy and giving your allies your venoms and cackling madly as everything dies around you...

[solidsheep]

I'm gonna guess this because countless times in interviews people crying about no support on thieves are met with "Issy plays a support thief, and we WISH there was no such thing when playing against him" so i'm going to take their word for it, it hasn't failed me yet!!

PS: I have a distinct feeling thief support would be more offensive, like being a lux or morgana support in LoL, you're not supporting how a guardian or elem will with defensive things, you're going to be more shutting down the enemy and giving your allies your venoms and cackling madly as everything dies around you...

My thief is heavily build around blinding and owning face :P

[Durzlla]

My thief is heavily build around blinding and owning face :P

<-- approves of your decision to blind A LOT

[Glytch]

I'm gonna guess this because countless times in interviews people crying about no support on thieves are met with "Issy plays a support thief, and we WISH there was no such thing when playing against him" so i'm going to take their word for it, it hasn't failed me yet!!

PS: I have a distinct feeling thief support would be more offensive, like being a lux or morgana support in LoL, you're not supporting how a guardian or elem will with defensive things, you're going to be more shutting down the enemy and giving your allies your venoms and cackling madly as everything dies around you...

the problem is people will still want those

probably in exclusion to thief support since its "safer"

plus i find it surprising your new found love of blind

[Durzlla]

the problem is people will still want those

probably in exclusion to thief support since its "safer"

plus i find it surprising your new found love of blind

I love blind when it's not being used on me lol, and if they want to play a more defensive support character thief is not for them and they should be punched in the face for thinking that a THIEF, someone whose likely out for themselves, would be one of those support characters..

[Glytch]

I love blind when it's not being used on me lol, and if they want to play a more defensive support character thief is not for them and they should be punched in the face for thinking that a THIEF, someone whose likely out for themselves, would be one of those support characters..

the problem isnt the thief not wanting to play support

the problem is that players not wanting support thieves since they dont offer as much protective support skills, and they are less concrete and more reliant on traits (which is far more rigid and less customizeable than changing weapon loadout)

personally i'd like them to add torch as a thief OH weapon :| would give a possible burning ability to thieves, enlarge our weapon options, and offers possible support oriented skills from the 5 skill and some of the dual combos

also: spear of redemption

[Durzlla]

the problem isnt the thief not wanting to play support

the problem is that players not wanting support thieves since they dont offer as much protective support skills, and they are less concrete and more reliant on traits (which is far more rigid and less customizeable than changing weapon loadout)

personally i'd like them to add torch as a thief OH weapon :|

also: spear of redemption

<-- uses bows still

And how would they be less support? They can stealth people, heal them, apply blinds, bleeds, etc etc, they seem liked they'd be fine but just have to play differently compared to a guardian. Sure a guardian would be better at just locking down an area and keeping it safe, but that's their thing, a thief would be better at making the enemy want to curl into a ball and cry because they can't -do- anything. If you ask me, i'd rather have the thief.

[Glytch]

<-- uses bows still

And how would they be less support? They can stealth people, heal them, apply blinds, bleeds, etc etc, they seem liked they'd be fine but just have to play differently compared to a guardian. Sure a guardian would be better at just locking down an area and keeping it safe, but that's their thing, a thief would be better at making the enemy want to curl into a ball and cry because they can't -do- anything. If you ask me, i'd rather have the thief.

im not saying thieves are "bad" at support, im saying the vast amount of morons that will end up playing this game will THINK they are

ive covered in this thread some of the pros of a "support thief" most notably that they can essentially play all 3 roles at once without giving up as much (sword/pistol) where other professions typically have to switch to something that gives up on another facet

this makes thieves, when it comes to support, jack of all trades master of none

but the main problem i find is the lack of depth and overall options

support as a thief (as is) will be harder and require more from the player than something like an engi, war, guard, or ele which will turn off most groups who want to play it safe