Another aspect of WoW that's going downhill.

[Deleted]

You might ask why I'm posting this now. I PvP'ed for most of Cata and occasionaly did a heroic or two. Only recently have I been farming heroics for ramkahen rep, and I noticed how few in variety they seem. I HATE, I despise finding things that add evidence towards WoW's decline, so I have a question. How many heroics will there be in MoP?

TBC: 16

Hellfire Ramparts
Blood Furnace
Slave Pens
Underbog
Mana-Tombs
Auchenai Cypts
Sethekk Halls
The Steamvault
Shattered Halls
Shadow Labyrinth
Escape from Durnholde Keep
The Mechanar
Botanica
Arcatraz
Opening of the dark portal
Magisters Terrace

WotLK:16

Utgarde Keep
The Nexus
Azjol-Nerub
Anh-Kahet
Drak'Tharon Keep
The Violet Hold
Gundrak
Halls of Stone
Occulus
Halls of lightning
Utgarde Pinnacle
Culling of strathholme
Trial of the champion
Forge of souls
Pit of saron
Halls of reflection

Cata:10/14

Throne of the tides
Black rock caverns
The stonecore
The vortex Pinnacle
The lost city of Tol'vir
Grim Batol
Halls of Origination
The deadmines
Shadowfang keep
Zul'aman
Zul'Gurub
End time
well of eternity
Hour of twilight

[Nived]

I think you're forgetting not all of those heriocs were available at launch.

[otarma]

Scenarios are for lv 90 players.

[Deleted]

I think you're forgetting not all of those heriocs were available at launch.

Meaning? It doesn't matter. I've listed all of the heroics that were available at the end of the expansion for each expansion.

[Cracked]

I think you're forgetting not all of those heriocs were available at launch.

Anyhow, good point, but only serves to prove OP right. Only 1 heroic was added in TBC's lifespan, 4 were added in WotLK and 5 were added during Cata. However good it is that we get content over time, it also shows that the developer is lazy to introduce enough content on release.

[Raxxed]

Meaning? It doesn't matter. I've listed all of the heroics that were available at the end of the expansion for each expansion.

While I agree that AT LAUNCH there won't be nearly as many heroics as there should be, especially when they're gating raid content like a bunch of spastic idiots, it's impossible to judge how many heroics will be at the end of the expac.

Edit; Typo

[Fhi]

Oh no! We have two less dungeons! WoW is dying! Alert the press!

[Deleted]

While I agree that AT LAUNCH there won't be nearly as many heroics as there should be, especially when they're gating raid content like a bunch of spastic idiots, it's impossible to judge how many heroics will be at the end of the expac.

Edit; Typo

I think people are missing the simple point of this thread. It's to show that Cata is fairly lacking in terms of heroics. I also asked a fairly simple question. How many heroics are planned for MoP that we know about just now? I'd take that answer and add +3, like WotLK and Cata has had added on.

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Oh no! We have two less dungeons! WoW is dying! Alert the press!

You mean 6?

[constantduty]

OP should note that there were 5 less levels in Cata vs Wrath/BC - so there's less 5 mans to level through, and as a result there are less dungeons to have heroic versions. Also, marking those 4 dungeons in red to discount them is a little silly. Deadmines and Shadowfang changed significantly. The two Zandalari instances are still quite challenging if you've never stepped foot in them. I'm assuming with your sig that you'd prefer the punishing mechanics of the two 4.1 5mans...

[Cracked]

OP should note that there were 5 less levels in Cata vs Wrath/BC - so there's less 5 mans to level through, and as a result there are less dungeons to have heroic versions. Also, marking those 4 dungeons in red to discount them is a little silly. Deadmines and Shadowfang changed significantly. The two Zandalari instances are still quite challenging if you've never stepped foot in them. I'm assuming with your sig that you'd prefer the punishing mechanics of the two 4.1 5mans...

So I paid the same money but received half the content. Thanks for putting that out for me.

[Daswolfen]

I wish all you naysayers would move along to Guild Wars 2 and never darken our door again. I am sick of all the 'wow is dying' posts. News flash, everything dies and entropy is a bitch. WoW could lose another 50% of its subscriber base and it would STILL be the biggest P2P MMO on the planet.

[PenguinChan]

Yes, your getting less dungeons in Mists of Pandaria. I believe it's 9 at release, with two of them being remakes. So if you're going to be "That guy" and say there are only 7 dungeons, go ahead.

[Deleted]

I wish all you naysayers would move along to Guild Wars 2 and never darken our door again. I am sick of all the 'wow is dying' posts. News flash, everything dies and entropy is a bitch. WoW could lose another 50% of its subscriber base and it would STILL be the biggest P2P MMO on the planet.

I don't see your point. You want us to go away and yet you yourself just admitted that it's dying? Also, that last point is meaningless.

[Holy]

Less heroics doesn't mean jack diddly in the quality of the product. You also marked all those dungeons in red to symbolize your... I dunno... fury at them being 're-used'. I again don't think that means anything - same place, but most everything is re-worked mechanic-wise, bar a few things. Poke and prod at every tiny thing you can until everything in WoW is terrible compared to how it used to be in your own private world.

I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you, since neither of us will ever change our minds, but I recognize your avatar and all I've ever seen it on are post that bash WoW, so excuse me if I take you less seriously... it doesn't help that you seem to retreat into quasi-intelligent garbling whenever some one brings up a good counter point. I don't think you hate or despise finding things about WoW 'declining'... I think you love forming personal opinions about things you dislike and trying to pass them off as facts of WoW's 'decline'. Dom't feel too bad, it's a popular past time these days. WoW has never been better, that's my opinion, and this dungeon number thing means nothing and you are a fool to say that is proof that they are getting lazy or something... that is my opinion as well.

[KCguy]

And even if there were 50 heroic dungeons in Cata, people would still have complained. People hate doing dungeons over and over. The faster people can be done with them and onto raiding the better. 5, 15, 100? It doesn't matter.

[Deleted]

OP should note that there were 5 less levels in Cata vs Wrath/BC - so there's less 5 mans to level through, and as a result there are less dungeons to have heroic versions. Also, marking those 4 dungeons in red to discount them is a little silly. Deadmines and Shadowfang changed significantly. The two Zandalari instances are still quite challenging if you've never stepped foot in them. I'm assuming with your sig that you'd prefer the punishing mechanics of the two 4.1 5mans...

Does how many levels there is really matters? They could just aswell have made MoP lvl 85-86? Avg time from lvl 70-80 and from 80-85 almost takes the same amount of time.

[Tomana]

Yes, your getting less dungeons in Mists of Pandaria. I believe it's 9 at release, with two of them being remakes. So if you're going to be "That guy" and say there are only 7 dungeons, go ahead.

It's 10, 4 of them being "remakes" (they're actually a boatload better than the originals imo), plus 8 (+/-) scenarios (which are technically instanced areas too).

[Deleted]

So I paid the same money but received half the end-game content. Thanks for putting that out for me.

Corrected that for you since they revamped the entire old world as well in cata.

[Deleted]

So I paid the same money but received half the content. Thanks for putting that out for me.

Ooh this thing again.

The amount of zones released per expac is roughly the same (Im not counting the starting zones), the amount of raiding content is pretty high in MoP, and then there are other things like Scenarios, Challenge modes, Pet Battles(!!), Rare mobs actually giving you a reason to hunt them down etc. and one can assume we will be seeing more Heroics as we progress through this expansion. There is plenty of content, just not in the form of Heroic dungeons.

[PenguinChan]

It's 10, 4 of them being "remakes" (they're actually a boatload better than the originals imo), plus 8 (+/-) scenarios (which are technically instanced areas too).

Ah, I must've missed the 10th one being added. I forgot about the other remakes; thank you for that. And yes, scenarios will be a side-grade to dungeons will they not?