To put it simply, remove all the issues currentley landed at Israel's feet and see what happens.
This works for all nations at logger-heads.
Pipe dream yes, but if the people of said nations united and demanded it - guess what - it could happen.
To put it simply, remove all the issues currentley landed at Israel's feet and see what happens.
This works for all nations at logger-heads.
Pipe dream yes, but if the people of said nations united and demanded it - guess what - it could happen.
Unfortunately with this topic isn't *cough* a key factor in the conflicts surrounding the area since the area has great importance for multiple *cough*s. The whole conflict began as a result of *cough* war hundreds of years ago, and the movement of that *cough* group back into the area. The splitting of the nation that was there based on *cough*, leading to tensions and multiple wars between the two *cough* groups. Understandable there are concerns of it become a flame thread but *cough* is one of the key issues involved in the conflict.
But i think a big thing we need to bare in mind with Israel's POV, is its been a year of instability for the nations surronding them (Syria is still on going). Israel will be vary cautious of what the will do, they have protected their current borders and as such are safe, if they were to give land back the new borders would currently be unsecure and the possibility of extremists (or even nations as a whole uniting to attack) threaten their security.
Until the area in general stabilises and attacks, stop nothing will happen. (Israel will be very unlikely to yield land while missiles are being launched into their country, because if they did; their civilians would more likely be placed close to the new borders, crowding their people, and there is a large border , more land becomes potential targets of which will be more densely packed.)
Apparently a couple rockets have landed just outside Jerusalem now, with air raid sirens going off and such.
'Twas a cutlass swipe or an ounce of lead
Or a yawing hole in a battered head
And the scuppers clogged with rotting red
And there they lay I damn me eyes
All lookouts clapped on Paradise
All souls bound just contrarywise, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
You forgot "enslaving them, doing medical research on them, chopping off their limbs to see how they play shortie-ball, dressing them up as barbies for photoshoots and the all-time favourite using them as cloth hangers" in your list of exaggerated lie-filled propaganda.
I say, as long as they keep indiscriminately shooting missiles and rockets at civilians, and the IDF keeps tactically destroying terrorist hot-spots, the truth and justice lies with Israel. In fact, Israel could as easily go in and kill civilians indiscriminately (Which they aren't, despite all the lies spread by people with their own pro-terrorist agenda), and still be on the same page.
We are talking about the same people who go out on the streets and celebrated Hurricane Sandy killing some people in the US. We are talking about the same organization starving their own people, holding the whole of Gaza in a curfew, randomly shooting at people on the streets, and denying all contact with the West Bank's government (Which has more hopes of becoming a country at some point than Gaza under Hamas ever will).
I say it again: All ye brainwashed blind supporters, peel the scale from thine eyes and go visit Gaza for yourselves. Not as part of some faggotry-fag peace-boat trying to run a blockade. Just travel there. We'll see how much your support them then.
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Nah, propaganda creates enemies.
I can only say, Goebbles would be proud of today's media. They managed to keep his agenda alive without caricatures or even plainly speaking. Subtle lies and twisted truths are all that he needed! If only he knew back then... Maybe we wouldn't have this problem nowadays!
/sarcasm off.
Yeah I definitely see this becoming a ground invasion of Gaza.
'Twas a cutlass swipe or an ounce of lead
Or a yawing hole in a battered head
And the scuppers clogged with rotting red
And there they lay I damn me eyes
All lookouts clapped on Paradise
All souls bound just contrarywise, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
Dunno, there are powerful arguments against that. US, EU, neighbouring countries. A full scale invasion is very risky.
I think and hope it is just the usual rattling of swords.
Hamas want to show they do something but are well aware that they wouldnt stand a chanse in a campaign. Israel know from previous events that the situation will become too bad since they have a habbit of killing a bunch of civilians or hit some UN building, hospital etc.
Not to mention they are gathering support for strikes at Iran, they wouldnt wanne compromise that work by doing anything too extreme in Gaza.
I think the rocket strikes in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem give them all the international justification they need, honestly. They've already called up 16,000 reservist troops.
Actually, the rockets landing in Tel Aviv were made in Iran, so that may even help their case against Iran.
Last edited by Reeve; 2012-11-16 at 04:11 PM.
'Twas a cutlass swipe or an ounce of lead
Or a yawing hole in a battered head
And the scuppers clogged with rotting red
And there they lay I damn me eyes
All lookouts clapped on Paradise
All souls bound just contrarywise, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
Before you keep on flaming , some more Info about this conflict, watch it , and i mean both sides.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEzvhvOcWEs
In fact as far as I'm aware the UK is the only european nation that outright bans guns for civilians.This is why people ban guns. Gun supporters don't know what guns are.Shotguns I'll give you (provided you're allowed 12 and larger gauges... because I mean... come on...) but not .22s.
'Twas a cutlass swipe or an ounce of lead
Or a yawing hole in a battered head
And the scuppers clogged with rotting red
And there they lay I damn me eyes
All lookouts clapped on Paradise
All souls bound just contrarywise, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!