http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
BAD! BAD! BAD CUS ITS COOL TO HATE LEFTISM, MURICA!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
BAD! BAD! BAD CUS ITS COOL TO HATE LEFTISM, MURICA!
Last edited by Jackmoves; 2012-12-01 at 12:30 AM.
The nerve is called the "nerve of awareness". You cant dissect it. Its a current that runs up the center of your spine. I dont know if any of you have sat down, crossed your legs, smoked DMT, and watch what happens... but what happens to me is this big thing goes RRRRRRRRRAAAAAWWW! up my spine and flashes in my brain... well apparently thats whats going to happen if I do this stuff...
I can't imagine why on earth kids in the US would die before age 5.
I'd be ridiculously surprised if it was health care related since minors in the US have excellent access to health care in all areas as long as their parents care enough to fill out welfare forms.
Based on my own experiences I'd wager kids in the south are more likely to die early simply because their parents are basically third-world brains living in a first world country. In the more... civilized... states (pretty much everything except Alabama, Mississippi etc) I'd wager the childhood mortality rate is as low as you can realistically get.
Last edited by Laize; 2012-12-01 at 05:35 AM.
As a nurse myself I use the LCP nearly every day, the daily mail is the most disgusting paper, the most one sided, bias, vile and repulsive paper imaginable (telegraph being nt much better), the fact is there are testimonials from these doctors and families yet they are such a tiny minuscule proportion, the LCP promotes dignity in dying it is not starving and dehydrating until they turn in to husks like this article suggests.
These are the brainless comments the daily mail will make you say if you read it. I can say unequivocally that the huge majority of patients put on the lcp last between 6 hours and 2 days and most are completely unaware of surroundings/people, I have yet in 6 years of using the LCP had a family member be other than grateful for the care they receive with the LCP. The daily mail has no clue what its talking about and is just sensationalising to sell papers or attract people to read its website.This is disgusting and wrong on every level. This isn't the work of a civilized society.
Hospitals were paid in the tens of millions of pounds to meet quotas of people killed using the LCP.
I have no doubts that there are relatives and profesionals who have negative experiences and they should be looked in to case by case, but blanket bashing the LCP because of them is not the answer otherwise you end up with people like this
Noone should be thinking that years after their family members death.Having said that though these latest reports have put some doubt in my mind that my dad was necessarily ready to go at this time.
Every patient put on the LCP in my trust gets seen by one of many paliative care nurses, all have years of training and experience within hospices, palliative care has come a long long way, its not always perfect but its never going to be in such a large organisation. I have seen patients families refuse the lcp and suffer withdrawn deaths and I have seen people put on the LCP who have come off it 2 days later because unlike what this article says it is not a doctor signing a death warrant.
The LCP is backed by the EAPC and similar pathways are used throughout europe, I doubt you have read a single journal in regards to palliative care in your life.
Last edited by draykorinee; 2012-12-01 at 06:28 AM.
I'd rather have socialized medicine than have whatever it is you call it in the US.
Great, I'm alive but my insurance didn't pay out. Guess I better find a cardboard box to cover myself with because it's going to rain tonight. Yay for expensive healthcare.
Well, Obama is trying to do a little to improve your health care system, but you know the hate the Democrats were getting for that attempt. As long as you keep your paranoia of socialized medicine, you will remain, as you called it, "third-world brains living in a first world country".
The huge majority of people in the United States have insurance. 40 million people is an objectively big number but the fact is it's only 12.5% of the total population. Of that 12.5% some portion is eligible for Medicaid or Medicare but doesn't get it. Some other portion can afford individual health insurance but opts not to pay for it out of pocket.
It's a problem but it's not as big as everyone seems to think.
Im sure those 40 million people see it as a big problem, and I read some research somewhere that said somewhere around the 40% mark of the populaton have no insurance or are having problems with medical bills and medical debt, and this trends are that these numbers are on the up. Its probably not as big a problem as our media sensationalises but probably a bigger problem than the right wingers like to make it out as well.
It is a huge number and a huge percentage for a a first world country, especially with the resources and wealth of the USA. Seething hatred is similarly irrational as paranoia, and it may be worst in the south USA, with their brand of conservatism, but it is the same brand what media like Daily Mail, Bild are working to introduce in the UK and Germany.
I'm not saying 12.5% of the population is an acceptable number to be uninsured for a wealthy nation.
I'm saying it's not a big enough problem to say private insurance needs to go and single payer needs to come in.
I think single-payer is nothing short of price-fixing which I find to be an inherently unethical way to do things.
Two things,
A) This is the daily mail, I'd take article posted on this site with a huge grain of salt.
B) All of the other sites with this story refer back to the daily mail article. With the exception of that of a british conspiracy nut who just copied the Dail Mail article (or maybe it was the other way around, both are just about the same in credibility)
Nurse here. The OP, The Daily Mail and almost everyone in this thread have absolutely no clue what they're talking about. I have seen many, many people on the LCP and cared for more people on the Pathway than I can remember.
Every single one of them was Terminally Ill, with an extremely poor prognosis in the very short term. The LCP means we focus our efforts on ensuring they pass away in a manner that is as comfortable and as pain free as possible. This is instead of continuing to perform invasive treatment (or even CPR) on someone who has no quality of life and an extremely low chance of a positive outcome.
With due respect to your profession, the accusations aren't just from the Daily Mail.
It appears that there are several reports of individuals being placed on the LCP who are either uninformed of that decision or, in other cases, there was no documentation showing that the patient's condition was untreatable. That's not the Daily Mail saying that. That's the Telegraph.
I think the problem with "news" like the Daily Mail is that it only focuses on anecdotes of a story, rather than the problem that allowed such an event to happen.