If anything we see that party affiliation does not determine military outcomes. Both parties feed the war machine.
I am just scared of the day that I see these drones flying over my head.
If anything we see that party affiliation does not determine military outcomes. Both parties feed the war machine.
I am just scared of the day that I see these drones flying over my head.
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I think that the government should have some leeway in targeting Americans abroad if they are assisting al Qaeda with terror operations, should capture not be possible, and should they be an actual imminent threat.
The stipulations in the memo, however, are too vague to support, but let's not pretend our government is gonna start assassinating anyone they want.
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are we talking about the same guy who some how interpret the constitution to mean that congress wasn't in session when they was in session
Obama and his Chicago ambulance chasing lawyers can interpret any law to mean anything they want it to mean and argue it with a straight face
I take issue with your claim of 'indiscriminately'... Can the president order it... yes... presidents have historically been able to order, its nothing new.
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Taking up arms against the US to fight for a foreign power/entity doesn't require a trial, a jury or a court... its not a law enforcement matter.
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not a chance that he'd be impeached over this. not a chance in hell.
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Vyxn... it wasn't a law enforcement matter... thereby, it wasn't as you describe it... When you take up arms against the US like that, then you are an enemy combatant... and thus forfeit any 'due process'. I may absolutely positively despise Obama, but I WILL stand with him on this.
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There are several information that are not release into the public everyday. Killing of those American might appear at random and shiz like that but I think the government has several information in who they will kill/ assassinate and does not need to release it to the public in order to avoid confusion and panic among the citizens.
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This is so relevant :O
I agree, people are not really even taking this seriously. This is like writing a law making it the law of the land going over our constitution which nothing expect other amendments should do.
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Vyxn... then show me exactly where it says he CANT do it... go ahead smart guy... Teach us... show us in the USC where it says he cant...
And to call me a liberal is clear and present evidence that you have no utter clue what you are talking about. Some here would accuse me of being to the far right of Attilla the Hun. Which means I'm truly loathe to agree with the President on this... but I DO.
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The only reason I can think of to justify this law is that if it wasnt there this is what would happen:
American terrorist is in a heavily guarded terrorist supporting area
US sends military units to arrest the terrorist
The terrorist dies in the firefight and bombing that happens when the troops get overrun.
So basically the guy is probably going to die anyway while being arrested.
I dont agree with it but it would be much more legal if they had trials in absentia or legal ways to rescind the persons citizenship.
The problem here is that when you start throwing around execution without due process in this istuation, you'll quickly find that your reasonings also apply to pretty much every violent criminal gunned down by the police, ever.
You're fine with a police commander having the power ot order that SWAT sniper to execute that american citizen without due process. Why would a high ranking military commander/president doing the same for felons far more dangerous and elusive be any different?