[Megathread] DotA 2

[Hermanni]

Sylla was in play 4-5 months ago and was still just as strong. He was pretty much straight Radiance every game, though; I don't remember seeing armlet ever, and maelstrom only rarely.

Naix just wasn't used much. Just because something isn't used doesn't mean it can't be problematic, and just because something is used very often (Rubick, for example) doesn't mean it's a problem.

Naix has a free BKB, good burst damage, is a versatile pick, and is fairly item-independent for a carry. Why would you stop using him, now that you're aware of his strengths?

What about Magnus? Do you really think players are ever going to stop using him unless he gets nerfed?

Why do you stick with the "just ignore it and it will go away" line of reasoning?

Why do you stick with the "talk about shit you don't know shit about" line of talking shit about shit you don't know shit about?

I don't even know why I should bother writing proper answers because at this point I would just be repeating myself. You're just repeating your old pattern of reasoning and I'm not sure why I should waste time disputing it when you'll just ignore it and repeat yourself whenever you need to vent.

[Deleted]

Why do you stick with the "just ignore it and it will go away" line of reasoning?

Welcome to Trends of the Ancient, are you new here?

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is it a common strategy with sylla to hide behind trees near map limit with quelling blade so you can farm with the bear while no one knows where you are?

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is it a common strategy with sylla to hide behind trees near map limit with quelling blade so you can farm with the bear while no one knows where you are?

Sylla's not usually the kind of person who needs to sit in trees and any competent player will probably notice that the bear is attacking but you're nowhere in sight and start looking for you, the trees being the most logical hiding spot. If they block your exit you're pretty much screwed. That said, it could work in some situations.

[Hermanni]

is it a common strategy with sylla to hide behind trees near map limit with quelling blade so you can farm with the bear while no one knows where you are?

You don't necessarily need QB, but it works. I did it last week when enemy stack nerded up and picked CK Wisp, team was already giving up but hiding in trees I was able to do some pushing and farming and had just enough time to TP away when they came for me.

[PizzaSHARK]

Why do you stick with the "talk about shit you don't know shit about" line of talking shit about shit you don't know shit about?

I don't even know why I should bother writing proper answers because at this point I would just be repeating myself. You're just repeating your old pattern of reasoning and I'm not sure why I should waste time disputing it when you'll just ignore it and repeat yourself whenever you need to vent.

And once again you're just spouting the same nonsensical crap as before. Should I just put you back on ignore again? For a little while there you were making posts that were actually of value.

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is it a common strategy with sylla to hide behind trees near map limit with quelling blade so you can farm with the bear while no one knows where you are?

Doubt it. There's a limit on how far away the bear can be and still be able to attack, so it should be pretty simple to figure out where Sylla's hiding using that.

Tidehunters used to eat their way through the trees to get free EXP in offlane solo lanes last year, though

[Hermanni]

And once again you're just spouting the same nonsensical crap as before. Should I just put you back on ignore again? For a little while there you were making posts that were actually of value.

I'm sure my little while still comprises of posts more useful than 100% of your posts in the lifetime of this thread. Like I said it doesn't really matter if you read my posts or not because whenever I bother to actually prove you wrong, which is 100% of the time when I try being serious with you, you just reset like the main character of Memento and come back with the same BS later on.

If you wanted to actually discuss Sylla or N'aix I'm sure you wouldn't just do the same thing where you list strengths and abilities of said hero and tell everybody what he can do and how pros use him and how that makes them too OP.

[Lysah]

I also thought Lysah was onto something when she was saying Sylla's skill design is kind of poopy; there's like no variety in skill builds.

Saw a no-bear Syllabear the other day (yesterday maybe?), it didn't work at all.

[PizzaSHARK]

If you wanted to actually discuss Sylla or N'aix I'm sure you wouldn't just do the same thing where you list strengths and abilities of said hero and tell everybody what he can do and how pros use him and how that makes them too OP.

This is why you're so ridiculous and why I can't take you seriously; you act as though pointing out the strengths of a hero, and then explaining why those strengths are too strong isn't explaining why the hero is a problem.

Just what in the fuck are you wanting, man?

[Hermanni]

If you two can't play nice I'm turning this thread around and there'll be no DotA for anyone!


In other news - Nobody happen to carry a spare Trail of the Lotus Blossom courier?

Please no.

I've seen bäreless Silly win a few times, but I wouldn't say it's a good build. Ranged Sylla isn't bad, but riskier. You're right in saying there isn't much variation in builds, but there is a small choice to be made in when to pick the 4th rank in SB, when to skill Rabid and when to take True Form.

Like I said, Lone Druid had a slump in popularity 4-5 months ago that coincided with a drop in win rate http://dota-academy.com/hero/68/, N'aix came out of nowhere http://dota-academy.com/hero/59/ and won hard for a while. And I doubt pros suddenly just realize that this hero nobody ever played before even it was in dota for 9 years (a bit less in current form) is pretty good. It's just about trends shifting the 'meta', or the other way around.

http://dota-academy.com/hero/49/ http://dota-academy.com/hero/87/ http://dota-academy.com/hero/36/ http://dota-academy.com/hero/2/ http://dota-academy.com/hero/33/ http://dota-academy.com/hero/37/ http://dota-academy.com/hero/22/ http://dota-academy.com/hero/51/ http://dota-academy.com/hero/58/ http://dota-academy.com/hero/3/

There's a few examples of heroes that have relatively recently had a slump or rise in popularity without any large changes made to them (the blue graph.) Pros pick from a group of heroes they consistently win with and others copy the winners until somebody comes up with a way to beat that group of heroes with another group of heroes. That's meta for you.

[Deleted]

guess you guys are right,with some logical thought the hiding spot is very weak.the range limit on the bear is too betraying.with a shadow amulet this could be more interesting.

[Sj]

If you can't agree on who's OP/not OP, at least agree to disagree and stop the bickering; if you must bicker, take it to PMs. I'd hate for Everything Nice to have to turn this car around.

[Lysah]

Ranged Syllabear is fine, and it is how I play him, but you are gimping yourself severely by not putting 4 points into spirit bear, even if you put no items on it. One entangle in a fight is easily worth 4 skill points over stats, and if your name is not Starling you will probably get more than that.

It's way too funny to entangle a hero like Lycan and instantly make big angry wolf form into massive joke form.

[Hermanni]

Ranged Syllabear is fine, and it is how I play him, but you are gimping yourself severely by not putting 4 points into spirit bear, even if you put no items on it. One entangle in a fight is easily worth 4 skill points over stats, and if your name is not Starling you will probably get more than that.

It's way too funny to entangle a hero like Lycan and instantly make big angry wolf form into massive joke form.

4th point is only Demolish, which isn't too important if you know you're not going to push towers. But if you play Sylla in the fashionable way your build is going to be pretty much the same by level 11-12 regardless of which path you choose.

@ZRebellion, this is the game I was talking about http://dotabuff.com/matches/156948585, though I'm not particularly great as Sylla and it's not a particularly exciting game but I thought I did an okay job at keeping myself alive from 10-20 mins or so.

[Lysah]

When would demolish not stand up to one level of stats, you HAVE to kill buildings eventually in order to win o_O

[Hermanni]

When would demolish not stand up to one level of stats, you HAVE to kill buildings eventually in order to win o_O

Of course, I was simply splitting hairs saying that you could, for example, skill QEQEQRQEEWR or QEQEQEEWQRR. At 11 they're the same. If you need that translated to legacy keys you're out of luck because I can't even remember them.

[Lysah]

I can only remember legacy keys if I'm actually playing the hero, it's all muscle memory anyway. I use QWER when explaining skill builds, too =p

And I don't consider the difference between getting synergy 4 or bear 4 first to be big enough to be called a different build. If you could go bear/rabid that would be one thing (and, actually, if you are really good at micro last hitting this is possible and potentially even better than QE) but you will pretty much never see that. My biggest beef with Syllabear is that QE is pretty much the only build available to him. QW is possible for a ranged Sylla using bear simply as a CC device/meatshield but it is still probably inferior to QE if only because of QE's ability to buff trueform for pushing/roshing/jungling/etc.

It pretty much feels like playing Syllabear comes down to following a recipe and if you follow it exactly you either win or blame your team because you played your hero the only way your hero can be played.

[Longview]

If you can't agree on who's OP/not OP, at least agree to disagree and stop the bickering; if you must bicker, take it to PMs. I'd hate for Everything Nice to have to turn this car around.

oh look, it's the bi-monthly moderator post telling people to behave, without participating in the thread in any way, ever

I've a few cents on the whole "sylla bear is easy, just control both at once"-ordeal you brought up, PizzaSHARK. I have only played LD a few times (my team wanted me to learn him for solo safelane situations where we'd draft an offensive trilane), but each time I have gotten stomped. Hard. After each of these times, I attributed it to controlling both units at once rather than individually. My enemies would notice, and use it against me. They'd just dive me and the brief moment it'd take for me to put my bear on attack while simultaneously retreating with my hero would often cost me my life.

Then again, that goes to show that I'm awful, but I have had a pretty different experience with the hero from you.

[Charge me Doctor]

4th point is only Demolish, which isn't too important if you know you're not going to push towers. But if you play Sylla in the fashionable way your build is going to be pretty much the same by level 11-12 regardless of which path you choose.

@ZRebellion, this is the game I was talking about http://dotabuff.com/matches/156948585, though I'm not particularly great as Sylla and it's not a particularly exciting game but I thought I did an okay job at keeping myself alive from 10-20 mins or so.

Demolish + bloodlust + alacrity = dead tower. I've seen this several times, it was a disaster

[Hermanni]

And I don't consider the difference between getting synergy 4 or bear 4 first to be big enough to be called a different build.

Neither do I, but looks like I communicated that badly. Though I think there's more options to item builds for Sylla than people in here claim, but at least in theory the hero is quite straightforward. How people actually do with him in-game is another thing.