General WoD Alpha/Beta Discussion

[Aeluron Lightsong]

We seriously do need some info, this thread needs to go back to the glory days of the Rygarius hype thread where people laughed and smiled and had mostly polite and respectful conversation with each other.

The funny thing is some dude named Cladriah on Twitter mentioned our thread to Sean(The Loreology dude)

[eillas]

The funny thing is some dude named Cladriah on Twitter mentioned our thread to Sean(The Loreology dude)

Wasn't it to Rygarius, and I am Cladriah on Twitter.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Wasn't it to Rygarius.

@Rygarius back when the 750 page thread about your tweet started. Was the assumption that you were writing patch 6.0 notes correct?

You're right. My bad >_<

[eillas]

We should get new things to be hyped about. A possible short story this week.

[Zoaric]

I believe the root of it is its not traditional fantasy enough.

Naga, demons, undead, magic, dragons are all traditional aspects to a fantasy world.

Alternate dimensions/time travel, not so much.

So even though they are all illogical, people are predisposed to what to expect and what not to expect in a fantasy game.

We did travel to a collapsing whole other planet through a giant, green , glowing door.

[Krazzorx]

We should get new things to be hyped about. A possible short story this week.

I'd say from now until PAX (or beta), its going to be extremely hard to judge what Blizz is going to do each week.

Basic situation: Wildstar NDA lifted, preorders, gonna get lots of hype for it (regardless of quality). ESO releasing early April. RoS releasing Tuesday.

Here's what we don't know: will Blizzard give RoS spotlight this week? Is Blizzard staying purposely quiet until PAX/beta? How much hype did insta 90 on prepurchase make? Particularly for non-current subscribers? Are they ok with 2 other MMOs taking all the hype right now?

[George Costanza]

It's painfully obvious when the beta is at this point :P

[Krazzorx]

We did travel to a collapsing whole other planet through a giant, green , glowing door.

Iirc, (though I didn't play then but I see people mentioning it) the sci-fi nature of BC was at the time a pretty big dislike among some. (Along with Draenei retcon ofc)

So while we may have done it before, that doesn't mean it was universally liked.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Iirc, (though I didn't play then but I see people mentioning it) the sci-fi nature of BC was at the time a pretty big dislike among some. (Along with Draenei retcon ofc)

So while we may have done it before, that doesn't mean it was universally liked.

Yeah I heard that to. Kinda hard to dismiss that when Orcs came from another planet.

[Krazzorx]

It's painfully obvious when the beta is at this point :P

Sorry, not good at interpreting hints through the Internet. That would be when exactly?

(Personal guess is during PAX if nothing else goes wrong)

[Kojo]

Iirc, (though I didn't play then but I see people mentioning it) the sci-fi nature of BC was at the time a pretty big dislike among some. (Along with Draenei retcon ofc)

So while we may have done it before, that doesn't mean it was universally liked.

Nothing is universally liked, don't care. Warcraft has never been traditional fantasy since like wc1 if that, things like gyrocoptors and steam tanks and all these other little sci-fi or steampunk or whatever else all twisting that fantasy tag.

[George Costanza]

The answer lies somewhere out there on the web. It is hidden in a cocoon.

[Krazzorx]

Yeah I heard that to. Kinda hard to dismiss that when Orcs came from another planet.

I'm no psychologist , but there's some themes for fantasy that nearly everyone ignores not making sense, while others, like time travel, just scare everyone to death.

For example, I believe if I'm remembering right, hand held lasers that disintegrate people with no effect to the used are impossible due to "every action has an equal and opposite reaction." law. Yet no one complains about that almost ever.

But time travel, now that gets a reaction. I believe its from there's something about it that makes people think too hard about it. Things like: "if I go back in time and kill my dad before I'm born, what happens?" and other things like that just really turns many off to any possible mention of it.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I'm no psychologist , but there's some themes for fantasy that nearly everyone ignores not making sense, while others, like time travel, just scare everyone to death.

For example, I believe if I'm remembering right, hand held lasers that disintegrate people with no effect to the used are impossible due to "every action has an equal and opposite reaction." law. Yet no one complains about that almost ever.

But time travel, now that gets a reaction. I believe its from there's something about it that makes people think too hard about it. Things like: "if I go back in time and kill my dad before I'm born, what happens?" and other things like that just really turns many off to any possible mention of it.

Knee jerk reactions. I understand the feeling but yeah.

[Krazzorx]

Nothing is universally liked, don't care. Warcraft has never been traditional fantasy since like wc1 if that, things like gyrocoptors and steam tanks and all these other little sci-fi or steampunk or whatever else all twisting that fantasy tag.

Well, reading some posts gives the impression WoW story lines were great in everything pre-Cata.

While Warcraft never was traditional LotR/Arthur fantasy, I'd say there's a good amount (or at least vocal) of people who want it to be that way.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Well, reading some posts gives the impression WoW story lines were great in everything pre-Cata.

While Warcraft never was traditional LotR/Arthur fantasy, I'd say there's a good amount (or at least vocal) of people who want it to be that way.

The only things that bother me is the robots. That's the bugging me part. The Titans are cool but I guess I tolerate it because it's Warcraft. To me I see Warcraft as Fantasy. My definitions are a bit modified compared to others

[Krazzorx]

Knee jerk reactions. I understand the feeling but yeah.

I wouldn't go so far as to say knee jerk reactions, more along the lines of: everyone has a pet peeve, and it just appears to be the same people every xpac, but they aren't. (At least mostly)

Personally, for example, while I don't dislike it and wouldn't give a 2nd thought to disliking (hey, it's still WoW) a Naga/night elf xpac with high elves on the Alliance, I'll never understand people's fascination with any lore involving elves.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I wouldn't go so far as to say knee jerk reactions, more along the lines of: everyone has a pet peeve, and it just appears to be the same people every xpac, but they aren't. (At least mostly)

Personally, for example, while I don't dislike it and wouldn't give a 2nd thought to a Naga/night elf xpac with high elves on the Alliance, I'll never understand people's fascination with any lore involving elves.

I like Tolkien Elves..I'm in love with WoW Elves. I just like them. Granted I may not churn out something as great as what we have but I do like them.

[Juvencus]

For example, I believe if I'm remembering right, hand held lasers that disintegrate people with no effect to the used are impossible due to "every action has an equal and opposite reaction." law. Yet no one complains about that almost ever.

Don't wanna derail but this makes no sense. Ignoring the fact that a hand held disintegrator's limitation would be impossible amounts of energy, it would be like expecting a reaction on the user of a flamethrower because his target goes through rapid oxidation (burn).

OT:

The answer lies somewhere out there on the web. It is hidden in a cocoon.

Reveal your secrets!!!!

[Krazzorx]

The only things that bother me is the robots. That's the bugging me part. The Titans are cool but I guess I tolerate it because it's Warcraft. To me I see Warcraft as Fantasy. My definitions are a bit modified compared to others

To me, it doesn't bug me as the story is never sci-fi even if it includes sci-fi parts. BC for example wasn't about Nauru technology. It was about stopping the Legion. None of the story ever involved technology. It's not like Kael planned to make a Death Star and Azeroth gets its name changed to another planet with starts with "A" for example.

If others think WoW goes too far at times with technology though, who am I to question their opinions?

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Don't wanna derail but this makes no sense. Ignoring the fact that a hand held disintegrator's limitation would be impossible amounts of energy, it would be like expecting a reaction on the user of a flamethrower because his target goes through rapid oxidation (burn).

OT:



Reveal your secrets!!!!

Ya I probably remembered wrong, was on a science show I watched like 5 years ago. Should've put a Tl;dr: it doesn't work, at the end.

And if I wasn't so tired I'd just give a link to the movie cocoon.