How should we handle "revenge porn"?

[prwraith]

Don't let your partners record you having sex simple.

And if you do, have a legal contract drawn up stipulating it can not be distributed.

[cuafpr]

Dont send out "porn" pics and no issues.... Read an article the other day that some marriages are including adult material sent to each other in prenups so this doesn't happen. Doesn't help with dating but eh.

all that said.. damn to be a kid again in this age of chicks sending pics around... and not knowing how to safe guard their phones ..college would be a lot more interesting scanning the networks /pervhat.

[Ralikon]

1. Good luck ever tracking the person down. 2. Porn, in all forms, will never cease.

[annrei]

I say they should be put in prison for however long you're put in prison for molesting someone/raping someone. This and I also believe the images/videos should be deleted.

It depends entirely however if the person made an agreement to 'deleting it/throwing it out' after the breakup. If yes, they deserve imprisonment. If not, then it's your fault really for not clarifying.

[Powerwordthug]

I wanna know what would happen if a wife posted a video of her husband for revenge!!!

I bet you this would have a whole new set of guidelines and measures if that were the case because sexism is so screwed up today. Individuals are individuals, rights are rights, so on so fourth, fuck society and fuck all the people categorizing shit that way.

[annrei]

I wanna know what would happen if a wife posted a video of her husband for revenge!!!

I bet you this would have a whole new set of guidelines and measures if that were the case because sexism is so screwed up today. Individuals are individuals, rights are rights, so on so fourth, fuck society and fuck all the people categorizing shit that way.

No, she should still go to prison. Shit's fucked up.

[Powerwordthug]

No, she should still go to prison. Shit's fucked up.

yeah in the next universe from this one

[Arewn]

I'm gifted a family heirloom, the gifter pisses me off sometime thereafter so I give the heirloom to someone they dislike just to spite them. Not an all too unlikely family situation, inter-family drama permitting. Potentially irrevocable, deeply hurtful to the victimized party, and a loss.
Obvious douchebag move, but not punishable.

Perhaps a bit different with pornographic media because it actually features the individual that was victimized by the act of supposed revenge, but I'm not sure how differently that warrants it being treated.
It is an inherently malicious act that is being done to harm another person, so I'd probably agree it deserves some sort of charge, but how the person can be charged and what charge they receive is going to have to be a new thing all together. The people saying it should be the equivalent of molestation/rape charges are absolute insensitive idiots. Saying such a thing just completely undermines how bad molestation and rape actually are.
There's a lot of factors that would need to be taken into consideration. How do you charge someone? It can easily boil down to word vs word. "oh they said I could". Should we expect formal contracts to be made about the treatment of the media prior to it passing hands? Consideration will also have to be taken for whether the poster themselves are featured in the material. If both the poster and the victim are featured, then the poster is putting themselves out there as much as the victim is. And was censoring used to conceal their identities? or was contact information provide with the media? Video vs pictures? nudes vs intercourse?
If it's smashed into law without particularly careful attention to detail, the way many things of this sort end up, then it's going to be full of holes and misused. We'll be hearing stories of 'revenge porn punishment revenge', wherein an angry ex gets someone falsely charged with posting revenge porn and unjustly punished.

[SilkDath]

Lots of so called revenge porn is staged any way.

[Ginantonicus]

Yup. And while a girl may hope that they're going to be with the guy forever, they also assume that the guy will never ever show anyone ever the pictures/video, or that they'll delete them when the relationship goes sour.

On the other end, it's seen more as a gift than a "for your eyes only" thing. And they can do what ever they want with the gifts they were given once the relationship was done, the videos still theirs.

They both consented to the filming, but at the end of the day, if she has a copy, and he has a copy, and he distributes it, that's his choice as to what he does with his copy. Yes, she's in it, she agreed to be in it. She didn't give out her copy, but he did, it's his copy to do with what he will. Right now the law hasn't caught up with the techonology available.

Imo, safer just not to do it, especially as technology becomes more and more prevalent to how we deal with our relationship issues.

You can argue that consent was given to film but not to distribute.

[mickybrighteyes]

I say they should be put in prison for however long you're put in prison for molesting someone/raping someone. This and I also believe the images/videos should be deleted.

It depends entirely however if the person made an agreement to 'deleting it/throwing it out' after the breakup. If yes, they deserve imprisonment. If not, then it's your fault really for not clarifying.

good thing you're not in charge... leaking a video carrying the same weight as rape would get out of hand.

[Deleted]

so, always act under the assumption that your SO, the one you love so dearly, will turn into the worst kind of person, barely fit for being called a human, later on?

Yeah, that'll make for some healthy relationships I'm sure.

[Seosaimhin]

If there was a way to prove that pictures or videos were taken (and/or distributed) without consent, which seems highly unlikely as it is, I'm all for "revenge porn" being made illegal. How severely it affects the victim seems really subjective, though, and it sounds like it would be difficult to put a name on what kind of punishment would be appropriate for the situation. But even if, despite these points, laws were somehow passed about this, I don't think the vindictive ex should serve jail time for it.

This coming from someone who's been a victim, though I wasn't aware pictures were being taken. "Don't take/share the pictures" didn't really apply to me, and - as far as choosing a better partner or becoming less oblivious...well, people make mistakes, and love often blinds them to the faults of their SO. I never would have believed that my ex would be such an ass until after I'd learned about the photos. I've never been able to trust someone so completely since then, to the detriment of more than one relationship that followed, and I still get nervous around cameras. But it was a learning experience for me and I don't feel like I've been permanently damaged by the experience. Just less naive, less trusting, and always aware that no matter how happy I might be with someone at a particular moment, that doesn't mean it'll last forever and I should prepare for bad things to happen if it ends.

It saddens me to hear that this is a "thing" with break-ups (at least enough to warrant discussion), and also that the victims are often blamed for consenting to the videos/pics in the process. Someone makes the mistake of trusting their SO and it burns them, bad. So they shouldn't have done it...but that doesn't mean they deserve what happened to them.

[Angella]

Saw this article on the Economist today.


http://www.economist.com/news/intern...iserymerchants



Throwing a lawsuit at the people is a great start that should be done, but i'm thinking jail time should be thrown in as well.

Treat it like slander. Criminal and civil penalties ensue.

[Mosotti]

Most of those "revenge porn" movies are fake. Like the "rape porn" or "abuse porn" or "incest porn" movies.

[Deleted]

so, always act under the assumption that your SO, the one you love so dearly, will turn into the worst kind of person, barely fit for being called a human, later on?

Yeah, that'll make for some healthy relationships I'm sure.

Or you know, don't tape yourself fucking your SO.

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good thing you're not in charge... leaking a video carrying the same weight as rape would get out of hand.

Isn't rape and molestation porn pretty big in Japan? As long it's all fake I couldn't care less what kind of porn is out there.

[Orlong]

It's more of a freedom of a press challenge that would be interesting to see how things fare. Or in states that are one-party consent.

I'm not arguing for one way or another, it'd just be interesting to see what grounds it stands on.
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I think there was already exceptions against freedom of the press for obscene content. It is the reason that broadcast TV cannot show sex related things. The question is whether a topless picture of your ex is obscene, or if a full blown homemade porno movie is obscene, or both. To me they would both be obscene but I dont think obscene should limit a freedom either. I would just choose not to look at it rather than force others to not look at it either.

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Still don't see something that adds no social value that is intended to harm someone as being protected under free press either.

Guess it depends on what the viewers opinion of social value is. Its a great social value to people who like porn Id suppose

[Mormolyce]

Saw this article on the Economist today.


http://www.economist.com/news/intern...iserymerchants



Throwing a lawsuit at the people is a great start that should be done, but i'm thinking jail time should be thrown in as well.

Well the first rule of porn is: it's not real. If it says it's real, it's especially not real.

But it is depressing that it happens at all.

[Orlong]

It's also usually a crime.

Depends on where its filmed. If youre filming it in a public place or a place where you could easily be seen by the public (such as in your back yard with no fence) then it would not be a crime. If it was in your home, then it would be a crime. There have plenty of court cases where someone sued because someone videotaped them but the cases were unsuccessful because its deemed that you should have no expectation of privacy in public settings (which I also think is BS)

[Cannibalus]

TIL you can prevent others from taking pictures of you while sleeping

And how much porn can that be? Unless he puts his "weener" on her face and sings tralala?