@Crissi Please close this. A day for remembrance has been turned into a soapbox for "edgy" nation bashing
@Crissi Please close this. A day for remembrance has been turned into a soapbox for "edgy" nation bashing
With COVID-19 making its impact on our lives, I have decided that I shall hang in there for my remaining days, skip some meals, try to get children to experiment with making henna patterns on their skin, and plant some trees. You know -- live, fast, dye young, and leave a pretty copse. I feel like I may not have that quite right.
America would so totally exist if France didn't support its rebellion to get back at the English crown!
I love this game too
Let me add that if you guys didn't have your pet nazis to build your space program the soviets would have been the only competitors in the space race and without a pro us Europe the Cold War would have turned in their favor
So please calm down you largely benefited from this war
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Ah look, a bitter cunt who got fucked in the ass by American. Im sorry you lost your anal virginity but like it or not, America is the worlds only superpower and will continue to be for next 50+ years, so pipe down and shut up you irrelevant cunt.
If you hate america so much, why are you using their technology?, like intel/windows etc that your using to talk shit on??. I hope America bombs your worthless country, then ill step in, piss on your corpse and dance on it.
Answer me this, where do you come from and why not state if your such a tough guy?? you just came to this thread to talk shit, nothing else, enjoy your ban you cocksucker
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I mean...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_raids_on_Japan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_ra...mbing_campaignOriginally Posted by WikipediaThe attack on the military base of Pearl Harbor resulted in 2403 American casualties, most of whom were military personnel. This lead to the Americans killing a million Japanese, most of whom were civilians, including tens, if not hundreds of thousands of women and children, and interning over a hundred thousand Japanese Americans.Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Measured response?
All the major powers in WWII had a nuke program and since it was top secret in all countries during a time of war nobody knew how far along each nation was.
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"This will be a fight against overwhelming odds from which survival cannot be expected. We will do what damage we can."
-- Capt. Copeland
You are aware the decision to drop the atomic bombs were to actually save the civillian population of Japan from being completely annihilated right? The estimated deaths of a land invasion were in the 10s of millions right? On top of that, it would have meant soviet and US occupation just like Europe, but you're right, fucking Muricans.
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Welcome to total war? What options do you think people had back then? Japan and Germany would have never stopped, and would have done the same, and occupied the conquered countries indefinitely. If you think all problems can be solved by "peaceful negotiations" after they already attacked, you're completely clueless. Its actually insulting to the memories of everyone who fought, from all countries on the allied sides, to have such a ridiculously uneducated opinion on how war plays out.
Next time you, or your kid gets bullied, go tell them to go to the bully and say "you're mean" and watch how fast you, or your kid, gets knocked the fuck out.
Yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japane...British_EmpireOriginally Posted by Sydänyö
Pearl Harbor was an act of war. The Japanese declared war. America also declared war. WWII was an actual, full out war in a sense that has not been seen since.
No, it does not fit modern sensibilities, but those have been shaped by the desire to avoid past mistakes. Some day in the future, someone will look back at the wars of our time and condemn their barbarity too.
With COVID-19 making its impact on our lives, I have decided that I shall hang in there for my remaining days, skip some meals, try to get children to experiment with making henna patterns on their skin, and plant some trees. You know -- live, fast, dye young, and leave a pretty copse. I feel like I may not have that quite right.
Finland was invaded by Soviet Union in 1939. Invaded. I'm not talking about a handful of soldiers being killed in a surprise attack on some conquered island thousands of miles away in the middle of the ocean. I'm talking about a total invasion, trying to take our entire country over. However, I've never heard of Mannerheim planning on wiping out a million civilians as retaliation. I think options were there for the Americans, as well.
Again, Finland negotiated peace with the Soviet Union after the Winter War, and the Continuation War. After having been invaded. Not after just 2500 people died. Go figure.
Right, because this is totally the same thing.
Yeah... Finland was already at war in 1939. In an actual, full out war, where the entire country was being invaded. By a force greater than that of Hitler's. By a monster worse than Hitler. Yet, peace was negotiated, and civilians weren't slaughtered. I feel like it's very well an option and a possibility.
Hence my earlier question: measured response? Also, if you're going to have a "remembrance day", then it would do everyone good to remember all the facts.
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I wouldn't have pyra if they didn't attack us :3 thanks jaypoon
Since you like Wikipedia so much.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes
Its war. Its messy. Japan doesn't get to play some victim card. The US doesn't get to play some moral superiority card either.Some historians and governments hold Japanese military forces, namely the Imperial Japanese Army, the Imperial Japanese Navy, and the Imperial Japanese family, especially under Emperor Hirohito, responsible for the deaths of millions, some estimate between 3 and 14 million civilians and prisoners of war through massacre, human experimentation, starvation, and forced labor that was either directly perpetrated or condoned by the Japanese military and government. Some Japanese soldiers have admitted to committing these crimes.
Also if we're being truly honest, if the rest of the world was all in like the US was the lines between civilian and military become extremely blurred especially when you have things like the draft, because every "civilian" is a potential soldier. Women went to work in factories making bullets, grenades, tanks, machines of War... are they still civilians? Children collected scrap metal. We were all in. The Japanese believed the emperor was divine, giving your life for a god was a privilege. I imagine man, woman, and child were equally committed to the cause in Japan.
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You do know almost everyone involved in the atomic bomb emigrated from Europe right ? Just like pretty much it's entire scientific community at the time, and still a lot today (not solely from Europe thought)
Also please enlighten me as to how the nation who sent the first man into space could possibly have done so by spying on the nation that hasn't ?
America didn't do jack shit for the world. They made as much short terms profits as they could by completely fucking it for everyone else, including your own future generations. Ask yourself why your middle class is shrinking and all your infrastructure has been built in the 30 years following the war
The Atomic bombs, with the added threat of the soviets encroaching from the north, were in fact, the best options, as opposed to a full scale invasion. If the US simply decided it would no longer be involved in the Pacific the Japanese would have pushed right back into the southern island chains. They would have also tried to get back to the US mainland, and think otherwise, is idiotic.
This is typical of these fucking neck beards on this forum, they think any conflict can be solved with flowers and love, when in fact it cant. I think its also hilarious, that they blame the US for so many deaths, when we remained neutral as long as possible, until someone finally sucked us into the European shit show, but its our fault of course.
Isn't that a well-known fact that the US government was aware of this attack and didn't do shit? Is the remembrance about that government lie aswell ? Or is it just swept under the carpet like the vietnam war defeat ?
Anyhow, god bless soldiers of any kind who give their lifes for the greater good.
Well, if it weren't for the US and all their evil, Finland would probably be speaking German, Japan would control most of east Asia, and you would be pissed that "Murica never does nuffin".
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Nice conspiracy theory, is the earth flat too?
While Mannerheim deserves respect for his military and political accomplishments, let's be honest about the politics he used to survive:Originally Posted by Sydänyö
Before deciding to accept the Soviet demands, Mannerheim wrote a missive directly to Hitler:[48]
Our German brothers-in-arms will forever remain in our hearts. The Germans in Finland were certainly not the representatives of foreign despotism but helpers and brothers-in-arms. But even in such cases foreigners are in difficult positions requiring such tact. I can assure you that during the past years nothing whatsoever happened that could have induced us to consider the German troops intruders or oppressors. I believe that the attitude of the German Army in northern Finland towards the local population and authorities will enter our history as a unique example of a correct and cordial relationship ... I deem it my duty to lead my people out of the war. I cannot and I will not turn the arms which you have so liberally supplied us against Germans. I harbour the hope that you, even if you disapprove of my attitude, will wish and endeavour like myself and all other Finns to terminate our former relations without increasing the gravity of the situation.
With COVID-19 making its impact on our lives, I have decided that I shall hang in there for my remaining days, skip some meals, try to get children to experiment with making henna patterns on their skin, and plant some trees. You know -- live, fast, dye young, and leave a pretty copse. I feel like I may not have that quite right.