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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by Scotia View Post
    You seem to think that we don't vote in our government, which makes it a voluntary thing.

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    Its the difference between an authoritarian restricting immigration
    Once again, you are dodging, and not arguing against what I'm actually saying.

    Let me know when you are able to answer the questions.

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    Im not dodging thats the answer. You are trying to imply that voting in a government to reduce immigration is theft, which makes you seem retarded. I'm doing you a favour by the way I answered.

  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Scotia View Post
    Im not dodging thats the answer. You are trying to imply that voting in a government to reduce immigration is theft, which makes you seem retarded. I'm doing you a favour by the way I answered.
    Actually, you are saying that voting to tax people is theft (and force), yet don't think voting to restrict immigration is force.

    How do you expect to pay for all that force you are supporting? Are you suggesting people be taxed?

    I get it, your support of force and "theft" is moral, theirs is not... Does that pretty much cover it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotia View Post
    No im not. I'll break this whole thing down for you.

    Couple hours ago you got triggered because I called socialists immoral. It's immoral because implementing a law that would redistribute wealth is theft and theft is immoral.
    Taxation is not theft. By definition. And you've admitted that taxation for things like immigration enforcement is legitimate. So you're a hypocrite on this point, and don't actually believe it to begin with.


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    Voting in high taxation in attempt to redistribute wealth is undeniably immoral and is not in any way comparable to voting in a government thats tight on immigration, which is amoral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Taxation is not theft. By definition. And you've admitted that taxation for things like immigration enforcement is legitimate. So you're a hypocrite on this point, and don't actually believe it to begin with.
    It's theft if it's a planned attempt at redistribution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotia View Post
    Voting in high taxation in attempt to redistribute wealth is undeniably immoral and is not in any way comparable to voting in a government thats tight on immigration, which is amoral.
    You aren't making a moral argument at all. You're declaring things to be so, by fiat, without making any actual argument.

    Nobody mentioned "high taxation". You're inserting that out of nowhere, for no reason.

    Nothing about wealth redistribution is "immoral" in the first place.

    Fractal wrongness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotia View Post
    It's theft if it's a planned attempt at redistribution.
    False.

    Any more obviously-incorrect statements you'd like to make?


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    Everything about wealth redistribution is immoral you commie

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Scotia View Post
    Voting in high taxation in attempt to redistribute wealth is undeniably immoral and is not in any way comparable to voting in a government thats tight on immigration, which is amoral.

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    It's theft if it's a planned attempt at redistribution.
    You are basing this on your own subjective pinion, not actual facts.

    Your support of force and "theft" is no different than tat of liberals.

    Also, you still never answered my questions of who will enforce those restrictions you want, and how it will be paid for.

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    You guys are making sure you stay single for life huh

  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Scotia View Post
    If you're old enough to pay taxes, you're old enough to leave the country.
    And become the kind of immigrant that you don't like?

    I'm not sure you've given much thought to this.

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    I have to thank you guys. You probably pushed alot of lefties to the right with your crappy ideological arguments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    And become the kind of immigrant that you don't like?

    I'm not sure you've given much thought to this.
    I've nothing against immigrants I don't know where you got that from.
    Immigration is a problem in my country, nothing to do with liking or hating.

  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Scotia View Post
    Voting in high taxation in attempt to redistribute wealth is undeniably immoral and is not in any way comparable to voting in a government thats tight on immigration, which is amoral.

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    It's theft if it's a planned attempt at redistribution.
    You're trying to convince people who live on welfare who don't pay taxes that paying high taxes is bad and that socialism is bad, good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotia View Post
    I have to thank you guys. You probably pushed alot of lefties to the right with your crappy ideological arguments.

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    I've nothing against immigrants I don't know where you got that from.
    Immigration is a problem in my country, nothing to do with liking or hating.
    You still cannot answer some very simple questions, and just embarrassed yourself with your hypocrisy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    You're trying to convince people who live on welfare who don't pay taxes that paying high taxes is bad and that socialism is bad, good luck.
    That is a rather baseless claim. I have a well-paying job, and also own my own company. I pay more in taxes every year than the average American family earns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotia View Post
    Everything about wealth redistribution is immoral you commie
    Not a communist. Liberal market socialist. Pretty significantly different.

    And no; wealth redistribution is not "immoral". Wealth redistribution is also called "the economy". All economic action is "wealth redistribution". When I buy a car, my wealth is "redistributed" to the car dealership.

    If you mean redistribution by the government, then we're back to you making an argument that all taxation is "immoral", which you yourself have admitted you don't actually believe.

    At this point, you're not even attempting to make an argument, just repeating McCarthyist propaganda points that are a solid half-century out from relevance to common discourse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    You're trying to convince people who live on welfare who don't pay taxes that paying high taxes is bad and that socialism is bad, good luck.
    What makes you think I "live on welfare"? I've never drawn welfare in my life, and only drawn unemployment for a short window, and then only because I was planning on returning to school in a little over a month and trying to find work for that window seemed silly.


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    Haha I don't even need to say anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotia View Post
    I have to thank you guys. You probably pushed alot of lefties to the right with your crappy ideological arguments.

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    I've nothing against immigrants I don't know where you got that from.
    Immigration is a problem in my country, nothing to do with liking or hating.
    You literally said being against immigration is common sense. Exactly how is one supposed to reconcile that with your notion that you can just go elsewhere if you don't like being taxed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotia View Post
    Haha I don't even need to say anything else.
    It's better that you don't, you've been embarrassing yourself, and proving your hypocrisy the entire time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotia View Post
    Haha I don't even need to say anything else.
    You mean you have no idea how to actually defend any of your ridiculous claims, so you're going to fake a laugh and run away.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    You're trying to convince people who live on welfare who don't pay taxes that paying high taxes is bad and that socialism is bad, good luck.
    Yeah people like that aren't my issue, i'm partly entertaining myself and partly entertaining the public. Its the average person with compassion who gets swept up in socialist ideas that I think I've laid out the case clearly for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Not a communist. Liberal market socialist. Pretty significantly different.
    So only half a communist?

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