900$ budget build please!

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So I should take you're word over 200 thousand benchmarks then?

You do realize that website is not a gaming benchmark site....right? Of course AMD is going to be ahead in synthetic benchmarks that can use all of the CPU, it has 12 threads vs intel's 6. The problem here is games rarely if ever use over 6 cores and ipc/clockspeed/latency are far bigger factors here and intel holds commanding leads over amd in those categories.

2600=4790k gaming performance. If you want to buy 5 year old tech AMD is for you.

Edit: Funny enough the website you just linked me does have a "gaming portion" and they agree with me lol. 87% gaming score for the ryzen 2600, 85% gaming score for the 4790k. Now take a look at the 9600k (ill save you the time, it has a 105% gaming score).

[Temp name]

You do realize that website is not a gaming benchmark site....right? Of course AMD is going to be ahead in synthetic benchmarks that can use all of the CPU, it has 12 threads vs intel's 6. The problem here is games rarely if ever use over 6 cores and ipc/clockspeed/latency are far bigger factors here and intel holds commanding leads over amd in those categories.

2600=4790k gaming performance. If you want to buy 5 year old tech AMD is for you.

Edit: Funny enough the website you just linked me does have a "gaming portion" and they agree with me lol. 87% gaming score for the ryzen 2600, 85% gaming score for the 4790k. Now take a look at the 9600k (ill save you the time, it has a 105% gaming score).

Still, the price increase and forcing the drop to 8gb RAM isn't worth it on this tight a budget. The 2600 is still perfectly fine



As for OP: I'd suggest something like this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/V7rsFt if you just want to stick with 1080p gaming.

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@Temp name, could not disagree more.

Op can do whatever they want of course, but it would be a terrible idea to drop down that much in CPU horsepower for 8gig's of ram that can easily be added later. I could take a stick of ram out of my pc right now and notice zero difference in any game i play.

[Temp name]

@Temp name, could not disagree more.

Op can do whatever they want of course, but it would be a terrible idea to drop down that much in CPU horsepower for 8gig's of ram that can easily be added later. I could take a stick of ram out of my pc right now and notice zero difference in any game i play.

OP wanted to keep it close to 900, cheating by telling him to spend more later isn't really keeping it close to 900.
I could also tell him to buy a 9900k and just buy a 2080 later. There, my system is now better than yours, but at the cost of no longer fitting within the requirements.
The system you suggested is already vastly over-priced compared to what he wanted, and you want him to spend more

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OP wanted to keep it close to 900, cheating by telling him to spend more later isn't really keeping it close to 900.
I could also tell him to buy a 9900k and just buy a 2080 later. There, my system is now better than yours, but at the cost of no longer fitting within the requirements.

It is close to 900 if they forego the hard drive, they never said how many games they are playing. I had a pc with a 320gb hard drive for many many years until more games started coming out i wanted to try. In fact you could even go below 900 if you bought a b360 motherboard.

You just dont skimp on core components like this if you can fit it, we can never agree on this one. Just be aware of what i said earlier is 100% true, ryzen 2600=4790k gaming performance. 4790k launched in july of 2014, coming up on 5 years.

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It is close to 900 if they forego the hard drive, they never said how many games they are playing. I had a pc with a 320gb hard drive for many many years until more games started coming out i wanted to try. In fact you could even go below 900 if you bought a b360 motherboard.

You just dont skimp on core components like this if you can fit it, we can never agree on this one. Just be aware of what i said earlier is 100% true, ryzen 2600=4790k gaming performance. 4790k launched in july of 2014, coming up on 5 years.

And still performs absolutely perfectly fine in games. Gamers Nexus revisted the 2600k from Intel a while ago and included the 4790k in their charts:



The 4790k and 2600, while roughly equal, are perfectly fine for gaming.
The only reason you'd need better is if you plan on pursuing high frame rates

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BTW staying under 900 is easy:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($259.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool - GAMMAXX 400 74.34 CFM CPU Cooler ($16.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z390 UD ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: ADATA - XPG GAMMIX D10 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: ADATA - Ultimate SU650 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($30.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB VENTUS OC Video Card ($349.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Raidmax - Vortex ATX Mid Tower Case ($35.98 @ Newegg Business)
Power Supply: EVGA - BR 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $893.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-23 02:55 EST-0500

You could even save another ~50 bucks by buying a b360 or h370 motherboard locally (local to make sure the bios is updated). AMD shouldnt be an option for this person, they can fit a 9600k in easy.

[Temp name]

BTW staying under 900 is easy:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($259.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool - GAMMAXX 400 74.34 CFM CPU Cooler ($16.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z390 UD ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: ADATA - XPG GAMMIX D10 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: ADATA - Ultimate SU650 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($30.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB VENTUS OC Video Card ($349.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Raidmax - Vortex ATX Mid Tower Case ($35.98 @ Newegg Business)
Power Supply: EVGA - BR 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $893.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-23 02:55 EST-0500

You could even save another ~50 bucks by buying a b360 or h370 motherboard locally (local to make sure the bios is updated). AMD shouldnt be an option for this person, they can fit a 9600k in easy.

Still only 8gb of ram, and a tiny ssd. If you get a B/H series chipset you're giving up one of the few advantages the 9600k has by no longer letting you OC. That shouldn't be something you should do.

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Mind boggling the argument you are making here temp name, he can fit the best gaming cpu for the money in (basically matches 9900k in most games) and you still fight for amd? You even went as far as admitting the best this cpu can do is match a 4.5 year old cpu from intel, and STILL recommend it lol.

Just....no words.

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Still only 8gb of ram, and a tiny ssd. If you get a B/H series chipset you're giving up one of the few advantages the 9600k has by no longer letting you OC. That shouldn't be something you should do.

You do realize the 9600k boosts to 4.6ghz out of the box right? Thats only 100mhz lower than my 350 dollar 8700k. Its a big part of the reason someone would want to buy intel in the first place, no need to OC to get the big performance gains over something like the 2600.

You are really hung up on the 8gb's of ram thing huh? Did you miss the part where i said i could take one stick of ram out of my PC, and even with it now running in single channel i wouldnt notice any difference in any of the games i play?

You are stretching so far to not include the 9600k its getting to the point of being an AMD fanboy.....and i dont like fanboys.

[Temp name]

Mind boggling the argument you are making here temp name, he can fit the best gaming cpu for the money in (basically matches 9900k in most games) and you still fight for amd? You even went as far as admitting the best this cpu can do is match a 4.5 year old cpu from intel, and STILL recommend it lol.

Just....no words.

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You do realize the 9600k boosts to 4.6ghz out of the box right? Thats only 100mhz lower than my 350 dollar 8700k. Its a big part of the reason someone would want to buy intel in the first place, no need to OC to get the big performance gains over something like the 2600.

You are really hung up on the 8gb's of ram thing huh? Did you miss the part where i said i could take one stick of ram out of my PC, and even with it now running in single channel i wouldnt notice any difference in any of the games i play?

You are stretching so far to not include the 9600k its getting to the point of being an AMD fanboy.....and i dont like fanboys.

I'm not an AMD fanboy. I would never use their chips myself. But they are WAY better value than Intel. Trying to argue against that is just plain wrong.

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I'm not an AMD fanboy. I would never use their chips myself. But they are WAY better value than Intel. Trying to argue against that is just plain wrong.

Well guess what my guy, i have tried ryzen.....and am giving advice as someone who has owned both. If you can fit a 9600k into the budget you should, you make sacrifices elsewhere to get the important stuff in.

Here is another option they could do:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($259.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool - GAMMAXX 400 74.34 CFM CPU Cooler ($16.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI - B360M PRO-VD Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($65.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill - Value 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate - FireCuda 1 TB 2.5" 5400RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB VENTUS OC Video Card ($349.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Raidmax - Vortex ATX Mid Tower Case ($35.98 @ Newegg Business)
Power Supply: EVGA - BR 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $903.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-23 03:14 EST-0500

All you would need to do is contact newegg or whoever you buy it from and ask if the board has a sticker that says they support ninth gen chips. (or again, buy the board locally)

Going amd just should not be an option for this guy with a 900 dollar budget, you can fit good stuff in.

Also the OP building this pc has a 8600k, he could easily swap his chip in to update the bios.

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2600=4790k in games.

If you are ok with putting 2014 gaming performance into your 2019 PC just so you can get a bigger ssd or more ram, go right ahead lol.

[Temp name]

If you are ok with putting 2014 gaming performance into your 2019 PC just so you can get a bigger ssd or more ram, go right ahead lol.[/B]

If you are ok with perfectly playable fps, go right ahead

Fixed it for you.

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If you are ok with perfectly playable fps, go right ahead

Fixed it for you.

Its literally no different than skipping a v8 on your mustang to get the v6 model with better trim level. No one does that, and its a terrible suggestion.

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Annnd he has no come back for that one lol.

OP the choice is yours, but do you really want your friend to be that guy who drives around a v6 mustang?

[HeiAggra]

OP if you want to have a good CPU at a good price just get the second generation of ryzen.
AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor in newegg at 199.99

I have it and its amazing, it well worth the extra 36 dollars.

I would do this OP i hope it helps.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WgPWTB

CPU AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor
$199.99 FREE $199.99 Newegg

CPU Cooler Corsair - H55 57 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
$59.89 -$10.00 FREE $49.89 OutletPC
$10.00 mail-in rebate

Motherboard MSI - B350 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard
$103.88 -$10.00 FREE $93.88 OutletPC
$10.00 mail-in rebate

Memory G.Skill - Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory
$99.99 $0.99 $100.98 Newegg

Storage Kingston - A400 120 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
$22.99 Free two-day shipping with Amazon Prime $22.99 Amazon

Seagate - Constellation ES.3 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
$41.50 Free two-day shipping with Amazon Prime $41.50 Amazon

Video Card MSI - GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB VENTUS OC Video Card
$349.99 FREE $349.99 Newegg

Case Phanteks - Eclipse P300 Tempered Glass (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case
$59.99 Free two-day shipping with Amazon Prime $59.99 Amazon

Power Supply EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply
$79.99 -$20.00 FREE $59.99 B&H

Total $979.20 with the offers right now.

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I'm not an AMD fanboy. I would never use their chips myself. But they are WAY better value than Intel. Trying to argue against that is just plain wrong.

This is so true!

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Its literally no different than skipping a v8 on your mustang to get the v6 model with better trim level. No one does that, and its a terrible suggestion.

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Annnd he has no come back for that one lol.

OP the choice is yours, but do you really want your friend to be that guy who drives around a v6 mustang?

If it's significantly cheaper and for all intents and purposes performs identically, why not? There's no reason to get a better chip than the 2600 unless you're doing high framerate gaming, or want to show off your epeen. If you want a budget build (that's still capable of 60+ fps), you go AMD. If you want the best (for gaming) you go Intel.

And apparently doing other stuff for a couple hours means I have no comeback.. And I thought you were done posting here?

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If it's significantly cheaper and for all intents and purposes performs identically, why not? There's no reason to get a better chip than the 2600 unless you're doing high framerate gaming, or want to show off your epeen. If you want a budget build (that's still capable of 60+ fps), you go AMD. If you want the best (for gaming) you go Intel.

And apparently doing other stuff for a couple hours means I have no comeback.. And I thought you were done posting here?

See thats the problem here, who says a ryzen 2600 can peg a 60hz monitor at all times in all scenarios? If he has a gsync compatible freesync monitor that is another story but as far as we know that isnt the case.

Thats just one way to look at it, but what if he wants to upgrade to a 144hz monitor down the road? Ive seen decent quality 1080p 144hz monitors go on sale for under 150 bucks, that is a reasonable upgrade for someone to make, why would we suggest he nerf his overall upgrade path down the road for a bit of extra ram or larger ssd? I even linked a build with 16gb's of ram (that isnt necessary, btw) to show its possible.

The only situation that makes sense for him to buy an AMD cpu is a two part:
1. He only plays WoW in the forseeable future
2. He also has a freesync monitor

In that scenario the dips below 60 fps (that will happen on a ryzen 2600) wont be as noticeable.

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People in this thread seem to be a bit confused between value and budget.

I am not debating the amd cpu's are a better value, when you build a PC you want to stuff as much power in as the budget allows. CPU and GPU are the two most important aspects of a gaming pc, rtx 2060 and i5 9600k can fit into a 900 dollar budget if you cut corners a little bit on the stuff that isnt as important.

[andrewjoy]

Try this

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/andrew...d/#view=qnVpGX

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor ($164.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock - B450 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($75.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($127.93 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX 590 8 GB NITRO+ SE Video Card ($259.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C Dark TG ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($76.54 @ OutletPC)
Total: $910.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-23 05:47 EST-0500

Dont waste money on an overpriced 9900k or 9600k when you can spend that money on more ram and a much faster SSD. Especially when the next gen ryzen 5 beats it clock for clock , with slower than stock ram on the AMD

[Fascinate]

Try this

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/andrew...d/#view=qnVpGX

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor ($164.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock - B450 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($75.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($127.93 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX 590 8 GB NITRO+ SE Video Card ($259.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C Dark TG ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($76.54 @ OutletPC)
Total: $910.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-23 05:47 EST-0500

Dont waste money on an overpriced 9900k or 9600k when you can spend that money on more ram and a much faster SSD

This is exactly why people need to stop posting advice.

You just recommended someone spend more money on something that would give him a 0 fps upgrade and told them not to spend money on something that would give them upwards of 30% gains in the specific game they are interested in playing.

You guys watch too many youtube videos about AMD ryzen, use both before giving advice to other people.

[Temp name]

See thats the problem here, who says a ryzen 2600 can peg a 60hz monitor at all times in all scenarios? If he has a gsync compatible freesync monitor that is another story but as far as we know that isnt the case.

Thats just one way to look at it, but what if he wants to upgrade to a 144hz monitor down the road? Ive seen decent quality 1080p 144hz monitors go on sale for under 150 bucks, that is a reasonable upgrade for someone to make, why would we suggest he nerf his overall upgrade path down the road for a bit of extra ram or larger ssd? I even linked a build with 16gb's of ram (that isnt necessary, btw) to show its possible.

The only situation that makes sense for him to buy an AMD cpu is a two part:
1. He only plays WoW in the forseeable future
2. He also has a freesync monitor

In that scenario the dips below 60 fps (that will happen on a ryzen 2600) wont be as noticeable.

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People in this thread seem to be a bit confused between value and budget.

I am not debating the amd cpu's are a better value, when you build a PC you want to stuff as much power in as the budget allows. CPU and GPU are the two most important aspects of a gaming pc, rtx 2060 and i5 9600k can fit into a 900 dollar budget if you cut corners a little bit on the stuff that isnt as important.

Most people still play 1080p60, or if they go for something else they go for more resolution, not higher frame rates. High fps gaming is a niche.

In 99% of games you won't notice the difference between a 9600k and a 2600 at all. Which means it's a pointless waste of money in 99% of cases. Assuming OP is building a pc for someone who plays at 1080p60, anything more than a 1060/580 is also a waste of money, since they won't benefit from it. Rather use that extra budget on QoL than unnecessary power consumption

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This is exactly why people need to stop posting advice.

You just recommended someone spend more money on something that would give him a 0 fps upgrade and told them not to spend money on something that would give them upwards of 30% gains in the specific game they are interested in playing.

You guys watch too many youtube videos about AMD ryzen, use both before giving advice to other people.

I know people who run a 2600x and a 2070, or 1070, and they get way over 60 fps in literally all the games they play

Dont waste money on an overpriced 9900k or 9600k when you can spend that money on more ram and a much faster SSD. Especially when the next gen ryzen 5 beats it clock for clock , with slower than stock ram on the AMD

Yeah don't buy NVMe over SATA. You will literally not notice the difference.
Source: I upgraded to a 1tb 970 EVO from a 240gb SATA3 from OCZ

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Most people still play 1080p60, or if they go for something else they go for more resolution, not higher frame rates. High fps gaming is a niche.

In 99% of games you won't notice the difference between a 9600k and a 2600 at all. Which means it's a pointless waste of money in 99% of cases. Assuming OP is building a pc for someone who plays at 1080p60, anything more than a 1060/580 is also a waste of money, since they won't benefit from it. Rather use that extra budget on QoL than unnecessary power consumption

So you ignored both of my points? One being that we dont know what monitor he has and two being a cheap upgrade to a 144hz panel in the future?

Are you now just arguing for the sake of it? I guess i dont understand.