Sylvanas: the only honorable Horde leader

[Wilfire]

Although her own sense of honor was somewhat fluid, she could appreciate honor in others.

Do not let da Horde die dis day.
It was a direct command from her warchief. And it was the right one. The Alliance effort below, valiant as it was, was dependent on Horde assistance. If the Horde retreated now, Varian’s army would fall.
But if the Horde stayed and fought, then both armies would fall.
Sylvanas had closed her eyes, each option unacceptable to her, but she made the only choice she could: obeying the will of the warchief, who later would die from the poisoned spear and, to everyone’s astonishment, appoint Sylvanas Windrunner as leader of the Horde.

Sylvanas, despite admitting that her own sense of honor is not as strong as it could be, is so far the only Horde leader to have shown any respect for the Blood Oath. Her Warchief commanded, and she obeyed. Other Horde leaders only obey the Warchief's command as long as it suits them. As soon as they are asked to do something they have qualms with (like hurting the Alliance in Baine's case), they either resort to plotting and scheming behind the Warchief's back or committing open treason.

In fact, Orgrim, Garrosh, and Cairne are the only other three Horde leaders who have done things the intended way and challenged the incumbent Warchief to Mak'gora instead of resorting to treachery. With all of them dead, Sylvanas remains the only Horde leader who respects the Blood Oath.

[Skulltaker]

Sylvanas, despite admitting that her own sense of honor is not as strong as it could be, is so far the only Horde leader to have shown any respect for the Blood Oath. Her Warchief commanded, and she obeyed. Other Horde leaders only obey the Warchief's command as long as it suits them. As soon as they are asked to do something they have qualms with (like hurting the Alliance in Baine's case), they either resort to plotting and scheming behind the Warchief's back or committing open treason.

In fact, Orgrim, Garrosh, and Cairne are the only other three Horde leaders who have done things the intended way and challenged the incumbent Warchief to Mak'gora instead of resorting to treachery. With all of them dead, Sylvanas remains the only Horde leader who respects the Blood Oath.

She betrayed her oath when she murdered Horde soldiers;
she directly defied the command of her Warchief at least once when she deployed the Blight in Gilneas.

[Kythera]

Sylvanas, despite admitting that her own sense of honor is not as strong as it could be, is so far the only Horde leader to have shown any respect for the Blood Oath.

You're being sarcastic here, right? Leaving aside the Wrathgate because I know this community is beyond divided on that one, she directly disobeyed Garrosh in Gilneas. She treated him with sneering contempt and plotted behind his back constantly, especially in Silverpine.

Whatever you think of Garrosh's honor or the Blood Oath, you cannot seriously conceive of Sylvanas as respecting the Horde's Blood Oath or the Horde itself for that matter. All arrows in her quiver until they have no more use.

[Rustedsaint]

Excellent troll post plenty of people will bite due to sylvanas hate
But on topic, she ordered the use of blight barely a minute after being told not to use blight, she used blight on her own soldiers and then animated their bodies to be used as fodder.
When she was ordered to come attack Jaina’s city, she sent a disposable minion instead. Ordering an attack on the kul tiras city of brenddan before they were officially allied with the alliance(preety sure they were only allied after completeing sob quest)

[Golden Yak]

Honor and an empty sack is worth an empty sack. Sylvanas has her own way of doing things, and doesn't filch her honor from others. It's about winning, whatever it takes. Win the war and the war stops. if the Alliance wants the fighting to end, they can surrender.

[KrakHed]

Sylvanas remains the only Horde leader who respects the Blood Oath.

When did she respect the Blood Oath with Garrosh?

[Amaterasu65]

Totally

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[Kwento]

Stop using “honor” in this way.
“Honor” is a concept without a clear definition, changing not only from culture to culture but even through individual perception.
Sylvanas might be “honorable” from your point of view, but many others would see her in a completely opposite light.

Now, when it comes to the Blood Oath, Warchief doesn’t need to do anything about it to prove their dedication to it. There is nothing in that oath, as far as I can remember, about Warchief’s responsibility to his/her people or actually *anything* that dictates how Warchief should act. She cannot really screw up there anyway.
As for her relationship with the Blood Oath before her ascension, she was a lousy follower. She acted against Warchief’s commands on several occasions with Garrosh and even after Vol’jin became her boss, she dared to say something along the lines of “No troll is gonna tell me what to do”.

[Nathasil]

Honor and an empty sack is worth an empty sack. Sylvanas has her own way of doing things, and doesn't filch her honor from others. It's about winning, whatever it takes. Win the war and the war stops. if the Alliance wants the fighting to end, they can surrender.

No, they cannot. Because as we all know surrendering to Sylvanas means getting genocided and rezzed as a slave. So please elaborate your point further.

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If lying to your warchief, murdering your own subjects while they do as you told them to the letter, making deals with the enemies of creation to defile and enslave the protectors of this world and then burn some children on top of it....then yes, she is the most honorable of them all. Only Gallywix might stand a chance.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

She doesn’t obey orders though.....

[cparle87]

She betrayed her oath when she murdered Horde soldiers;
she directly defied the command of her Warchief at least once when she deployed the Blight in Gilneas.

You mean the warchief who wanted to use the bodies of her people to build a ramp over the Gilnean wall, then when he couldn't get away with that ordered her not to use all her best weapons so she'd fail so he'd have an excuse to punish him? Sounds kinda Garithos-y to me,

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When did she respect the Blood Oath with Garrosh?

Read above. He'd already decided the lives of her people didn't matter to him. So she decided that he had no place telling her how to win the war HE starts and HE dropped in her lap.

[Syegfryed]

You mean the warchief who wanted to use the bodies of her people to build a ramp over the Gilnean wall, then when he couldn't get away with that ordered her not to use all her best weapons so she'd fail so he'd have an excuse to punish him? Sounds kinda Garithos-y to me,

>implying she don't use the forsaken(and now the horde) the same

even so, it was not his intentions

Read above. He'd already decided the lives of her people didn't matter to him. So she decided that he had no place telling her how to win the war HE starts and HE dropped in her lap.

"its totally fine to betray because reasons.. its sylvanas doing" what a bullshit, she disobeyed a direct order, she is traitor, and a honorless bitch

He didn't start the war, And she want guilneas too

And to do when the lives of the horde don't matter to her? cause its what she reminds us, they are just meatshield

She doesn’t obey orders though.....

Epic, can't believe i didn't saw this before

[Skulltaker]

You mean the warchief who wanted to use the bodies of her people to build a ramp over the Gilnean wall, then when he couldn't get away with that ordered her not to use all her best weapons so she'd fail so he'd have an excuse to punish him? Sounds kinda Garithos-y to me,

Orders are orders, and a traitor remains a traitor. Which she is. That, and an oathbreaker.

[cparle87]

>implying she don't use the forsaken(and now the horde) the same

even so, it was not his intentions




"its totally fine to betray because reasons.. its sylvanas doing" what a bullshit, she disobeyed a direct order, she is traitor, and a honorless bitch

He didn't start the war, And she want guilneas too

And to do when the lives of the horde don't matter to her? cause its what she reminds us, they are just meatshield



Epic, can't believe i didn't saw this before

When did she betray him? By not following his obviously idiotic orders to not fight to be the best of her abilities to win a war HE ordered her to win? "Hey Sylvanas, go fight this monster for me. Oh, but wait a moment. Give me your bow, swords, daggers, and armor. Here's a foam sword, I'm sure you'll do fine."

Garrosh did indeed start the war. He ordered the invasion of Gilneas, conscripting the Forsaken to be cannon fodder for his own troops, while Sylvanas was away in Northrend. She comes back, after seeing a vision where Garrosh's actions literally lead to the extermination of the Forsaken, and convinces him to hand over command of the invasion to her. Calling it off was never an option.

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Orders are orders, and a traitor remains a traitor. Which she is. That, and an oathbreaker.

Sure. So when Sylvanas orders an entire people to charge headlong into enemy fire so they bodies can be used by the Forsaken to climb over their fortifications it'll be totally ok, cause orders are orders and Sylvanas should've gone along when Garrosh told her to let that be her people. Totally right. /s

[Freeasacar]

Although her own sense of honor was somewhat fluid, she could appreciate honor in others.

Lol I love this line. "Somewhat fluid" is just lawyer-talk for "non-existent". Her entire character is based around doing dishonorable things and getting away with them because she knows how to cover her back too well. Unfortunately for her that back is getting harder and harder to cover in BfA with every new group of people she manages to piss off.

This is pretty bad troll bait too since following some outdated blood oath doesn't automatically make you honorable and neither does following orders blindly. Being a weapon of your warchief is a requirement of the Horde but when your Warchief is dishonorable the whole concept and faction falls apart as it is today.

[Alteiry]

This is some weak fuckin' bait.

[Sarethion]

When did she betray him? By not following his obviously idiotic orders to not fight to be the best of her abilities to win a war HE ordered her to win?

Dude, come on.

The thread is about Sylvanas having honor, because she respects the Blood Oath.

She didn't follow Garrosh' commands in Silverpine - it doesn't matter why. The Blood Oath doesn't contain any exclusions or clauses or whatever - you take the Blood Oath, you give your life for the Warchief to use however he pleases and if he tells you to jump off from a cliff for his amusement, you jump. Simple.

Thus, by not obeying Garrosh's command about not using the blight during the campaign in Silverpine, Sylvanas directly BROKE the Blood Oath and since it's pretty much impossible to both respect an oath and break it, the initial statement made in the OP is false. There's nothing more to it.

Whether she had a good reason to break that oath is a completely different discussion.

[Magnagarde]

*procceeds to write in casual amnesia about Sylvanas defying her warchief in Gilneas*

[Minikin]

You mean the warchief who wanted to use the bodies of her people to build a ramp over the Gilnean wall, then when he couldn't get away with that ordered her not to use all her best weapons so she'd fail so he'd have an excuse to punish him? Sounds kinda Garithos-y to me,

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Read above. He'd already decided the lives of her people didn't matter to him. So she decided that he had no place telling her how to win the war HE starts and HE dropped in her lap.

Can't pick and choose mannnn


It's the BlOoD oAtH of the HoRdE.

If she said tomorrow, cut off your balls and eat them


Well too bad

Took the OaTh oF bLoOd

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She doesn’t obey orders though.....

This is awesome lol

[cparle87]

Dude, come on.

The thread is about Sylvanas having honor, because she respects the Blood Oath.

She didn't follow Garrosh' commands in Silverpine - it doesn't matter why. The Blood Oath doesn't contain any exclusions or clauses or whatever - you take the Blood Oath, you give your life for the Warchief to use however he pleases and if he tells you to jump off from a cliff for his amusement, you jump. Simple.

Thus, by not obeying Garrosh's command about not using the blight during the campaign in Silverpine, Sylvanas directly BROKE the Blood Oath and since it's pretty much impossible to both respect an oath and break it, the initial statement made in the OP is false. There's nothing more to it.

Whether she had a good reason to break that oath is a completely different discussion.

Well, guess we'd better kill Baine, Sylvanas, Gallywix, Ji, and Vol'jin, cause they done did that to Garrosh.