It notes what they lost and commits them to existing on a path forward. By virtue of having a Lordaeronian holiday in open view, chaired by Sylvanas on Lordaeron Keep it already runs in contradiction to BTS.
The speech is a celebration of being Forsaken. Given that even in BTS Sylvanas talks about how she should be with them and talks in her internal monologue about 'saving them' via Eyir, it's only out of place as of about a year in-story when some time after BTS she decides she's going to kill everyone because it's in her contract with what's presumably Mueh'zala.
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Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.
Tinkers will be the next Class confirmed.
Oh look, another thread full of whining about Humans. Christ, can we just start banning people for veering a topic so much?
OT: I personally think all the Holidays need a revamping, I think we also need more holidays celebrating in game events such as defeating Deathwing and Arthas. Just actual events like we have IRL.
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Can you people ever stick to the topic instead of whining that your edgy ass queen doesn't like you? Christ almighty, it's fucking annoying.
That's a pretty good idea, though I suppose the Wicker Man Forsaken burn represent Arthas? Or does it represent the common Stormwind human that thinks they're monsters? I'm not clear.
A holiday celebrating Deathwing's defeat sounds like fun though, considering he broke the world and killed so many with his raving fire tantrums. Rewards could include gear fashioned after him and his evil brood (Nefarian and Onyxia too.)
New Holiday: Destroyer's End
Can you ever bother to read everything before typing nonsense? First, I don't like Sylvanas, second I am pointing at how inconsequential the story is.
Christ almighty, bestow this dude with at least 4th grade reading skills, I wasn't even addressing to him and he got triggered like a RL Sylvanas LOL
and it would have been fine if they stuck to that. but following sylvanas and her mad schemes made them lose sight of that fact. Calia strikes me at least being someone who would look to helping the forsaken regain their home instead of trying to spread undeath onto everyone else. She is the last remaining menethil after all
If anything it reinforces BTS. We ARE the forsaken. It's not a celebration of Lordaeron culture at all, it's a celebration to reinforce forsaken culture. The new culture that they built around her. Channel your feelings of tragedy and vengeance towards our enemies. Burn this giant human effigy and paint your face with its ashes...
Pig out on candy, dress in the occasional silly costume...
Culminating in a giant deathwing pinata that we punch in the face. I can get behind this.
The fact that last Hallow's End we had to travel back in time to celebrate Horde-side was a pretty big pisstake. And the Lunar Festival definitely needs an update given what's been going on. Though there was some weird vampire nelf datamined a while back that might factor into that.
In general though I don't think it's too big a deal, since there's a set limit to how much you can characterize these holidays given that they still need to be recognizable real world analogues.
@Powerogue
In BTS people aren't even allowed to go out in Lordaeron Keep - the thought of residing in it, which undead NPCs do routinely in-game as you can still see with the time-dragon, fills Elsie with extreme fright that can only be the product of the police state she retroactively occupied. The bits about how there's a quest literally called Lordaeron concerning their claim being based on their ties to the land in life, that even Dark Rangers talk about reclaiming Lordaeron being a goal and so forth only lends to this, but veers off-topic.
Torching a human isn't really all that aside given that humans have been their #1 baddie after Arthas and the main competitor for their land - hence the bit about how they aren't monsters, since that's the basis for their claim on Lordaeron being dismissed.
Sylvanas was their leader at the time who decided not to bother further, since that was the extent she could push it. The stage was set for this to be a plot point too, since Varian made a point of 'containing' her after Mists. It's just dropped plotlines, they could and in fact did have Sylvanas be content with this before because not rocking the boat extended her chances of not dying. This is one bit that still remains in her BTS characterization, since she only judges war necessary because Varian kicked the bucket. Hopefully, though not very likely, she'll get a story that explains the point where she decided that it'd be a better bet to feed everyone to Mueh'zala, if only for the sake of continuity.Originally Posted by Trassk
Calia cleansing Lordaeron is likely to be the big gesture that gets her the seat officially, and if it doesn't happen it'd be weird, since she has Jaina on call and should be able to freeze the plague like she did the first time. That and our boy Il'gynoth says she'll claim the vacant throne.
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Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.
Tinkers will be the next Class confirmed.
So they should move a ingame event which is based and that coincide with a irl event to another time ? maybe we should move Christmas event to 1 aug also or maybe middle of july.
Dwarves get first crack!
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@Super Dickmann If Blizzard is creatively stifling themselves to creating fictional Holiday content that must be related to real world holidays, they're really missing out on capitalizing on actual in-lore events that could be even more fun than "Christmas Veil."
Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.
Tinkers will be the next Class confirmed.
Not at all ironic in light of your thirty billion threads complaining about Thrall's direction And do share your sources indicating that the Forsaken won't lost their identity when Blizzard just pushed the unification upon the Horde as a whole and are pushing two Alliance characters as the two new important "Forsaken" to fill Sylvanas' void instead of using actual Forsaken characters for that.
Yes, please do show off your ignorance about the Forsaken some more. Why not add the "all Forsaken revolved around Sylvanas and they had no internal dissent" falsehood again (only to be disproved immediately, desperately try to move the goalposts and attempt to handwave away why certain dissenters don't count and still fail to make a legit argument) as well?
And please do also continue to pat yourself on the back and get on that high horse of yours on how amazingly pro-change you are and then continue beating that dead straw-horse you constructed of how people criticizing this direction are against change in general rather than this specific change for very specific reason. It's oh, so very convincing. Especially in light of you just admitting you're doing it all out of spite (not that there was much doubt about it before).
But it didn't last because the Forsaken stopped their expansion in 4.0 and then focused on building their kingdom, with Sylvanas providing almost no support to Garrosh's war with the exception of the campaigns where it was specifically requested. Again, you're utterly ignorant about the topic you're trying to argue about, making it blatantly clear it's not just "a little" of your motivation behind flooding the forum with Forsaken-related threads, it's all of it. Also, would you look at that, already moving the goalposts entirely away from your claim how they haven't been changing. Who'd have guessed /s
Especially since whooping five minutes later the loyalist conclusion revealed Sylvanas' plans and noping out of the plot instead of letting the Horde fight Anduin's forces ran contrary to that plot. BfA is such a mess...
I mean, I doubt Forsaken care much about cold, but freezing the Blight isn't exactly a permanent solution. Besides, Forsaken already do have methods of cleaning Blight as long as it's not an abnormally strong strain.
Man I can't wait until the lightening of the Wickerman is changed to be symbolic of the Forsaken being lightforged at Calia's command. Truly the Forsaken will feel free after they are forcefully shackled to the Light because the Princess who abandoned them said so.
Honestly to me the fact that this holiday did not receive updates this year, unlike Brewfest, is telling.
My guess is that next year, the forsaken will have a new home and new ceremony.
So changing it this year, for one year only after which the situation would change, would be silly.