In essence,What is the difference between Nathanos and Nazgrim？

[TrueHorde]

If Sylvanas is Garrosh 2.0, then Nathanos is Nazgrim 2.0.

[Minikin]

If Sylvanas is Garrosh 2.0, then Nathanos is Nazgrim 2.0.

Serious reply:
Nazgrim still believed in the horde and held it dear, it was more about the warchief than Garrosh as warchief. For Nathanos it's just Sylvanas.

Non serious low effort reply:
MoP 2.0?

[Aucald]

Nazgrim put the Blood Oath above all else, considering it the honorable tack to take - but he wasn't as sycophantic toward Garrosh as Nathanos is toward Sylvanas. Which is why Nazgrim allowed Saurfang and Thrall into Orgrimmar despite them having been branded enemies of the Horde by Garrosh. His error in judgment led to his death, just as Nathanos' does in the Shadowlands pre-expansion patch.

[Skytotem]

Nazgrim at least felt bad about fighting the players.

[Izalla]

As others have already said, Nazgrim was loyal to the position of warchief and the horde led by said warchief, not to Garrosh specifically. Nathanos is loyal to Sylvanas specifically, and doesn't give a shit about the warchief title or the horde.

[Razion]

Nazgrim was our ally through all of Cata and immediately got his story concluded at the end of Mists in SoO.

Nathanos meanwhile was an epic character in vanilla, and then many expansions later we see slim hair or pickings of him, and then suddenly he's in a different body - a HUMAN body, no less, the very visage of the main enemies of the Forsaken, and while Nazgrim was essential throughout Cata and Mists, Nathanos played comparatively a smaller role until just recently so he's not as memorable and now he's thrown out almost as soon as he's relevant and noteworthy. People may have turned around to like Nathanos if we had more time with him separate from Sylvanas... and maybe that's part of the issue, too: that often we see Nathanos and Sylvanas, but we never saw Nazgrim with Garrosh, comparatively.

Garrosh when Nazgrim was introduced had moments of honor, but when Nathanos was introduced Sylvanas was already in a place of negative reception.

[Doomchicken]

Nazgrim was likeable.

[cparle87]

If Sylvanas is Garrosh 2.0, then Nathanos is Nazgrim 2.0.

Nathanos is more like Malkorok than Nazgrim, and even then not really. Nathanos was an asshole, but I doubt he'd be plotting world annihilation if it wasn't for his infatuation with Sylvanas. Malkorok, on the other hand, was clearly a negative influence on Garrosh and only encouraged him to act on his totalitarian ideas, since that's what he himself had experienced in the Dark Horde.

[StillMcfuu]

Nazgrim's decisions were entirely based on tradition and honor to his culture and the Horde.

Nathanos is entirely selfish and was only an ally because the Horde happened to align with his goals (really Sylvanas' goals).

[Bigcountry11782]

Nazgrim stayed because The horde and Ogrimmar is his home and as a soldier his duty was to fight for it.Honor is big for orcs.He was even sad that he had to fight us when the time came.Nathanos was just king of the simps.

[Nathreim]

Nazgrim let his oath blind him Nathanos lets love blind him.

[Gestopft]

A friend zone?

[Cronovey]

Nazgrim was our ally through all of Cata and immediately got his story concluded at the end of Mists in SoO.

Nathanos meanwhile was an epic character in vanilla, and then many expansions later we see slim hair or pickings of him, and then suddenly he's in a different body - a HUMAN body, no less, the very visage of the main enemies of the Forsaken, and while Nazgrim was essential throughout Cata and Mists, Nathanos played comparatively a smaller role until just recently so he's not as memorable and now he's thrown out almost as soon as he's relevant and noteworthy. People may have turned around to like Nathanos if we had more time with him separate from Sylvanas... and maybe that's part of the issue, too: that often we see Nathanos and Sylvanas, but we never saw Nazgrim with Garrosh, comparatively.

Garrosh when Nazgrim was introduced had moments of honor, but when Nathanos was introduced Sylvanas was already in a place of negative reception.

The new body portion is actually explained in a short story here: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/st...ry/dark-mirror

While I wish more of the lore would play out in game and not so much of it happening outside in books and short stories, this part was actually explained.

As for the topic at hand, Nazgrim quested with us through multiple expansions and we actually got to see him be promoted over time; this made him feel more relatable as he gained power alongside the player. Nathanos got off screen powerups and his loyalty is to Sylvanas only, not the position she held.

[cparle87]

The new body portion is actually explained in a short story here: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/st...ry/dark-mirror

While I wish more of the lore would play out in game and not so much of it happening outside in books and short stories, this part was actually explained.

As for the topic at hand, Nazgrim quested with us through multiple expansions and we actually got to see him be promoted over time; this made him feel more relatable as he gained power alongside the player. Nathanos got off screen powerups and his loyalty is to Sylvanas only, not the position she held.

How he got his new body was explained in a novel. As for the whole Nazgrim with Garrosh thing, I think the entire argument is invalid because Nazgrim wasn't Garrosh's Nathanos, Malkorok was. Nazgrim would've been one of the loyal dark rangers who fell before Sylvanas' defection dying believing in what Sylvanas allegedly stood for.

[Ardenaso]

more like Malkorok 2.0

Geyarah almost became Nazgrim 2.0

Gallywix is Blackfuse 2.0

[Wyattbw09]

Not sure the two are completely apt comparisons. Nazgrim was a loyal solider of the Horde long before Garrosh was War-chief. Nazgrim rose through the ranks of the Horde to become a General. Nazgrim has lots of incentive to show his loyalty to the SYSTEM in which is spent most of this life as part of. Then when raised from the dead, he immediately was like Horde, whats the Horde, I'm all about the Ebon Blade.

Nathanos we have no experience with before he was dead. What we do know is that he was a lover of Sylvanas in life, and it was her that brought him out of being a mindless undead and returned him into being a sentient being. The entire Forsaken for years and years, was 100% a cult of personally centered around Sylvanas. Until very recently called the Forsaken a Horde race was always a bit of a joke because it was basically thought of a loyal exclusively to Sylvanas, but in need of a home for protection. It's not a shock that Nathanos would pretty much remain true to the SYSTEM, he rose through. One that was loyal to Sylvanas and Sylvanas alone.

So effectively both Nazgrim and Nathano's paths were very similar in which the outcomes were also very similar.

[Soon-TM]

If Sylvanas is Garrosh 2.0, then Nathanos is Nazgrim 2.0.

Not really. Nazgrim was present since WC3 and featured in BC as well, and more importantly, he always put the interests of the Horde (as he understood them) before everything - it's pretty clear in his lines in SoO that he doesn't like having to fight the PCs.

Nathanos, on the other hand, had nothing to do with the Horde except for being Sylvanas' boytoy. He featured briefly in Vanilla, and then he simply went AWOL until Dark Mirror... Probably because some idiot in the writing team thought that if Sylvanas was going to be Mr. Burns, she would need a Smithers And Nathanos has never given a !@#$ about the Horde, or about anything that isn't Sylvanas, which is a shame - he could have been much more than that (for example, it would have been much more logical if the internal opposition to Sylvanas had been fueled by Nathanos instead of Sadfang), but alas, what can you expect from Danuser & co...

[Varodoc]

Is this a serious question? Nazgrim was loyal to the Horde, the blood oath of the Horde demanded that he serve the Warchief, so he had no choice but to serve Garrosh the lawful warchief. Meanwhile Nathanos is a simp who only cares about Sylvanas' decrepit pussy.

[Monteverdi]

and now he's thrown out almost as soon as he's relevant and noteworthy.

I'm not so sure about this. We're in an Expansion based on the afterlife, I'm not going to be surprised in the slightest if Mr. Blightcaller's story ain't finished yet.

[Jastall]

Nazgrim was his own character. Nathanos is Sylvanas without tits or plot relevance. Also Nathanos's equivalent is Malkorok, not Nazgrim.