The Moon or Mars which should be the first settlement?

[Doctor Amadeus]

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The Moon or Mars which should be the first settlement all things being equal?

Personally I’d go with the moon. Easier to get to so easier to send supplies until they become sustainable.

[Amerissis]

The moon, obviously. We need to practice before sending people to Mars, since that's a one way ticket.

[jonnysensible]

earths gonna go up four degrees by 2100 any of these dumb space cunts think they are going anywhere when people get thirsty and hungry are in for a bad time

[Nevcairiel]

The moon has to be first, because we need a basecamp for longer missions. Starting from the moon is far easier then starting from the earth.

[cubby]

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The Moon or Mars which should be the first settlement all things being equal?

Personally I’d go with the moon. Easier to get to so easier to send supplies until they become sustainable.

I'm not sure what you mean by "all things being equal" - moon is orders of magnitude easier than mars, although both are difficult, of course.

But moon first - practice, of course, but also we should have had a base up there since the 1970's.

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The moon has to be first, because we need a basecamp for longer missions. Starting from the moon is far easier then starting from the earth.

And we can "practice" and refine so many techniques while there. 3D printing from materials on planet. Growing crops in low gravity. All the things we need to have down before we send a colony to mars.

[Doctor Amadeus]

I'm not sure what you mean by "all things being equal" - moon is orders of magnitude easier than mars, although both are difficult, of course.

But moon first - practice, of course, but also we should have had a base up there since the 1970's.

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And we can "practice" and refine so many techniques while there. 3D printing from materials on planet. Growing crops in low gravity. All the things we need to have down before we send a colony to mars.

Come on Cubby you know better, you been here long enough to know if an argument can be made around here no matter what, it will be. Just covering my bases

[Tuor]

The Moon, obviously. easy to send supplies, comunications only take around 1 second.

Judging the current situation, i don't see anyone walking on Mars in the next 100 years. But all the technology to settle on the Moon, is already avaiable. The problem with Mars, is that we need to gather resources there, for that, we need better technology.

[ranzino]

The moon, obviously. We need to practice before sending people to Mars, since that's a one way ticket.

obvious obstacle, even if we posess the know-how in the future. such a martian settlement is to be designed as independent or "forget it".

[cubby]

Come on Cubby you know better, you been here long enough to know if an argument can be made around here no matter what, it will be. Just covering my bases

Lol, good point. I guess they would come out of the word work without that caveat.

What are your thoughts? It seems a moon base is both good by itself, and a solid way to make Mars easier. Or perhaps we could do both. Build the moon base for long term study, and send teams to Mars, to start that process as well.

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The moon, obviously. We need to practice before sending people to Mars, since that's a one way ticket.

Not sure it would be - no reason why we couldn't send people back on ships that are dropping people off. Not easy, of course - and to your point, I'm sure we'd find plenty of people willing to not come back.

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earths gonna go up four degrees by 2100 any of these dumb space cunts think they are going anywhere when people get thirsty and hungry are in for a bad time

Probably more than that - which is actually an argument to get off planet and possibly make others permanently habitable.

[Soulwind]

Probably more than that - which is actually an argument to get off planet and possibly make others permanently habitable.

And then inhabitable again shortly after.

[cubby]

And then inhabitable again shortly after.

"Shortly"?

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The moon doesn’t have anything to offer. Mars could, right?

Moon has H3, which is very valuable here on Earth - if we can set up a mining and transport operation, it could fund the long term colonization of the moon. Plus, it makes sense to colonize the moon on a number of different levels.

But Mars does seem to have more to offer long term. Extreme long term - centuries - we could terraform it to a second Earth.

[Soulwind]

"Shortly"?

It took us, what, 60-100 years to fuck up Earth? I'm sure we've gotten way more efficient at it by now, Mars is doomed.

[PC2]

The moon doesn’t have anything to offer. Mars could, right?

Well they both have some minerals and access to more land and sunlight but they're both pretty worthless until we figure out geo-engineering and terraforming.

Expanding into the solar system is mainly philosophical at this point, it's about inspiring people, reaching for the stars, sparking our imagination, etc.

[cubby]

It took us, what, 60-100 years to fuck up Earth? I'm sure we've gotten way more efficient at it by now, Mars is doomed.

I think we'll have different circumstances on Mars. Just to start out with, Mars needs MORE Co2 to get an atmosphere going.

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Well they both have some minerals and access to more land and sunlight but they're both pretty worthless until we figure out geo-engineering and terraforming.

Expanding into the solar system is mainly philosophical at this point, it's about inspiring people, reaching for the stars, sparking our imagination, etc.

Agreed. But we have to start somewhere. We have to start doing it at some point. Agreed though - actual colonies outside of Moon/Mars are centuries away.

[plz delete account]

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The Moon or Mars which should be the first settlement all things being equal?

Personally I’d go with the moon. Easier to get to so easier to send supplies until they become sustainable.

Moon. easier to evacuate if shit goes horribly wrong. plus all that free H3 and access to a lower gravity to help make alloys that are otherwise impossible here on earth.

[Kokolums]

It'll probably be both at roughly the same time because its a competition between the US and China. If China gets it done first,they will claim they own both the Moon and Mars. If the US gets it done first, it'll probably settle the issue as some sort of international claim.

[plz delete account]

Well they both have some minerals and access to more land and sunlight but they're both pretty worthless until we figure out geo-engineering and terraforming.

Expanding into the solar system is mainly philosophical at this point, it's about inspiring people, reaching for the stars, sparking our imagination, etc.

le moon has water ice on it's south pole. we've known about this for like a decade at this point.

[Unholyground]

The moon but they will have to go pretty deep underneath the surface to prevent impact damage to any structure they would build since there is no atmosphere to burn up materials.

[plz delete account]

The moon but they will have to go pretty deep underneath the surface to prevent impact damage to any structure they would build since there is no atmosphere to burn up materials.

just don't build on the far side of the moon. Ez.

[Unholyground]

just don't build on the far side of the moon. Ez.

It doesn't matter what side you can still have micro debris that puncture your structure's that you cannot see and we do not have materials strong enough to prevent those impacts that are easily manufactured.