Hey guys,
Mistweavers are in a weird spot right now. They are pretty much the only Healer without a raid benefit. This video really sums it up. I hope that they get some kind of attention soon.
Hey guys,
Mistweavers are in a weird spot right now. They are pretty much the only Healer without a raid benefit. This video really sums it up. I hope that they get some kind of attention soon.
Mystic Touch and a raid-wide dispel (and instant heal) doesn't count anymore? Coulda fooled me. Life Cocoon might not be Guardian Angel, but it also isn't useless, even in Mythic raids.
Mystic touch can be brought into the raid more easily with a brewmaster (which is fantastic at the moment) and revival is just not as strong as a shamas spirit link or any other utitly it brings on top of output. On top of that they have mana issues that other classes don't have.
I haven't done Nathria yet, but saying Revival is useless is silly. Literally does twice as much healing as Healing Tide does over its 10 second duration, and it's instant. The dispel is just a bonus, but it's invaluable when it's needed.
Plus, you're comparing to the one healer with literally the strongest raid utility of them all (Resto Shaman) - why not compare to Holy Paladin (Sacrifice, BoP, auras)?
If you'd rather play another class, then go ahead. Mistweaver is fine though.
As for throughput being mediocre, https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st...y=4&metric=hps are you literally saying you need to be higher than top 3 to be good enough?
Debatable.
For a reason. MW sustain healing/cleave healing is amazing. The balance of that is higher mana costs. Renewing Mist being a smart heal for vivify cleaves is amazing imo.
I keep up pretty well with our resto shaman and druids.
Healer, not a dps.
Matte rof opinion tbh.
Umm, Yu'lon. If you had any idea of how much healing you can push out when you have yu'lon up, with an innervate? As I said, too many mistweavers have no idea how the fuck yu'lon, and chi'ji, works.
Enveloping Breath
Requires Monk (Mistweaver)
Requires level 58
While active, Yu'lon and Chi'Ji heal up to 6 nearby targets with Enveloping Breath when you cast Enveloping Mist, healing for [(30% of Spell power) * 6 / 1] over 6 sec, and increasing the healing they receive from you by 10%.
Pop yu'lon, get an innervate, spam enveloping mists, laugh in HPS. The whole reason you ask for an innervate is so you can spam EM's into people. It turns yu'lon into an actual raid cooldown. Best part of it is it's a smart heal. All you need to do is target the tank/melee for HPS lols.
This is all assuming you're mistweaving and not kickweaving. If you're kickweaving and having mana issues, then I dunno wtf to tell you except stop spamming EF on cd. Learn how kickweaving works and L2P.
Ironbark is comparable to Cocoon for sure, better in some cases (on a tank for a high damage section), worse in others (oh-shit button to save a life). Tranquility is very much comparable to Revival, and that's all they have. Saying "several" doesn't make it so.
Holy Paladin does have stronger throughput CDs, true. They also have strong DPS. But stronger utility? No. BoP is decent, Sac is comparable to Ironbark and therefore Cocoon. They also have no raidwide CDs, which matters a lot more in raids. BoP + Aura Mastery vs Revival and Mystic Touch. Holy Paladin wins on some fights, Mistweaver wins on others.
Furthermore, Mistweaver is literally third best healer DPS, so you're again just complaining about not being OP. Mistweaver is maybe the most balanced healer in the game.
Shamans spent the entire last expansion bottom of the barrel. Let em have their moment.
Anyways, shamans will always be highly represented when people are under geared trying to do content because they’re loaded with utility. When people can outgear things they’ll be less represented.
In the mean time, poor monks.
Not really relevant for a healer in raids in the vast majority of cases (Tiger's Lust is fine, but it's not by any means a major addition to Mistweaver's kit). BoP has uses, and Sacrifice is almost as strong as Pain Suppression but with the added damage sharing aspect. Mistweaver is fine, but let's not exaggerate - they're not OP either.
Fun thing from our HC run a few days ago, healing officer is telling me to use my Revival for next incoming dmg burst,.. I do and about 1 second after I do, the Shammy healer in the guild says "I'll follow up with a CD after monk's revival if needed".... The healing officer goes "lol, that was it, he used it!", I sigh and the shammy goes "Oh LOL ok I do mine".
Last edited by Dawon; 2020-12-23 at 02:09 PM.
This is all some mental gymnastics. Disc isn't actually ahead in DPS at all, the reason they're top healer DPS is because they can spend the entire fight DPSing, while other healers have to give up healing to DPS at all, with one exception - Mistweaver.
Plus, representation is an entirely separate issue. Monk is the least popular class.
Monk is not the healer that needs buffs the most, simple as that. You calling something that isn't true "obvious" doesn't make it so.
Right, so because Mistweaver is only 3rd out of 6, they're bad and "need help". Gotcha. Your issue is that you're not OP, but Blizzard (as well as anyone sensible) is never going to buff someone for the sole purpose of being OP. Reroll like the other people who complain about that.
Last edited by Segus1992; 2020-12-28 at 03:31 PM.
Sorry for kinda-necroing this topic, but since my question fits the content of the video OP has quoted in his opening post, I thought I'd ask here. Also, I found some answers very insightful and they had me agree.
[TL;DR] Here's my question: Should you (constantly) be meleeing as a Mistweaver? If not, what it the highest form of content to realistically be expecting to be able to play like that as a Mistweaver?
Let me explain. I would like to play as a Mistweaver. That's right, not a Fistweaver. And in the video that's been referred to, the guys basically talks about how much he loves Fistweaving for minutes. Well, that's not me. I LOVE the healing as a Monk though, like no other healer. It just feels great. What I don't like? Melee. I know, that maybe sounds stupid coming from a Monk player. I like how Windwalker plays in open world content and all. I just don't like end-game content as a melee class, at all. I won't go into detail on why here, because I think it doesn't really belong here.
What I would like to know is: Am I stupid expecting to be able to play at least Heroic raids on a Mistweaver while expecting to do little to no damage? Hell, I would love to see Crackling Jade Lightning have any means of existence other than its hint at what Mistweaver should have been (for me). I'm basically playing him like a ranged classe, and it feels right to me.
(BTW, I know the class is considered to be melee for some mechanics like the chains on Sludgefist. Of course I would adjust to all that.)