She’s said her self she’s always been on the Story/Franchise Team, but here’s another quote from 2018 where she says the same that she’s not on the wow team.
https://mobile.twitter.com/christieg...98236299653120Christie Golden
I am not "in charge" of the WoW story. I don't even work for the WoW team, I work for CDev/SFD, where I interact with all the game teams. I do not direct where the game is going. I write cinematics, novels/novellas, song lyrics (Hearthstone yay) and comics,
All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.
That's the thing about this being a story, a fiction, and a fantasy. Would I support a Garrosh personality as a leader in real life? Hell no. But setting my modern human sensibilities aside and viewing Garrosh as an orc leader from an orc perspective, he's totally a badass; and the rash decisions are a part of that. Thrall the Philosopher and Saurfang the Remorseful have always been stated to be the outliers in orc culture. While I love both of them as characters as well, Garrosh brought a vibe change that was cool to play through.
Thrall brought purpose, direction, and meaning to a Horde no longer driven by the Legion. The Hellscreams, though, they brought that "no holds barred" savage vibe that made the Horde different from the Alliance in tone.
lul, so maybe now the forsaken can return to their pre retcons state xD
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dude, the 2 things you are describing arent in contradiction.
im fucking love garrosh and his end, still i wont side with him during pandaria, because you know, being a racist prick that hate undeath cant coexists with my ex character (a forsaken). but i still can appreciate his consistency (less the stonelaton fuck up)
12/6/2009 -23/11/2020 rip little deathstalker Ferretti. proud forsaken, enemy of the livings
Did YOU not play BFA? Even Sylvanas sympathizers were forced to turn on her basically and watch her give up the horde, and victory, over "feelings" basically. Just like Garrosh, they deux ex machina out a proper warchief on the verge of victory.
VICTORY in war is all that matters.
No, that is the case. He was never a well written character, maybe perhaps during Wrath when he was made to be just another dumb, "me make war" orc.
Considering I haven't claimed this to be the reason why people are commenting here, this is nothing but a red herring on your part.of course, like people care about it, thats the reason why everyone is commenting here,
Aside from the fact that, yes, his "war strategies" failed too, keep in mind you're basically saying here that Garrosh is incompetent to anything that doesn't exclusively pertain to "war".his assassination attempt was not a war strategy, lmao,
"Didn't happen because of plot armor" is a dumb argument, especially since "plot armor" did not save Vol'jin two expansions later. Regardless, it's another failure in Garrosh's repertoire.and it didn't succed because plot armor
A "circular logic" you never demonstrated exist, only claimed it does.ah yes, the clearly the Circular Logic fallacy, you never change.
Ah yes. The "war strategies" in which Saurfang berated him for being hot-headed and impulsive like his father.Of course you are ignoring his war strategies working on WTLK, Cataclysm and most of mop, and say it didn't worked, because he lost in the end, truly a fallacious argument.
So you're saying the warchief of the Horde is powerless to enact justice when one of his subordinates wrongs him and makes him an accessory to murder.Baine should have punished his own people.
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12/6/2009 -23/11/2020 rip little deathstalker Ferretti. proud forsaken, enemy of the livings
All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.
Hardcore disagree. The start was great, ill give you that, but after that it became anything BUT the war for azeroth. Jaina deux ex machina'd out of danger instead of DYING which would have actually given the war high stakes. No territory was won or last, unlike the last war, and even tho Teldrissel was burned and Lorderon lost again... how many characters of significance actually died in it? Faceless background soldiers that don't mean anything to war, do not make the war feel impactful. Imagine for example you played WC2-3, and only your footsoldiers ever died. Wars are meant to have real consequences and horrors, and i just didn't see it in BFA. It was like a saturday morning cartoon version of conflict, except the autobots and decepticons ACTUALLY died in that film.
Why does every damn lore character have to have plot armor so thick that not even wolverine could cut into it? I don't even mean top 5 lore characters either, but how did every lesser lore character also make it out of harms way? I mean, come on... is that even a war or a friendly skirmish?
Does it though?
Garrosh did equally as much damage, and in all honesty, probably more. You can throw Arthas in that boat as well.
So you want her punished, but not him? Him saying he would do it all again is okay, but her showing remorse makes her actions worse than his?
Just trying to follow folk's logic at this point. We're perfectly okay, and love characters like Arthas, and Garrosh who have murdered countless innocent people. But if you burn a tree and kill tree people, you're the worst person ever.
I don't like Sylvannas, I'm still just trying to figure out the insane amount of hypocrisy within the wow community. It's almost as bad as Blizzard writing at this point.
did i miss something? there is zero BFA cinematic quality in SL so far, i just made thread puzzled why they didn't do the most positive thing out of BFA again
what cinematic u talking about?
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u forgot AU Grom, we forgave him and he is no competition worse than everyone else, he started genocide against entire planet, kill any sentient being in it, genocide against all other races, and all he did to 'redeem' himself is think we 'heroes' are 'cool' and voila, he got out of it free zero punishment, in fact they turned Yrel to evil light fanatic (which actually a good twist, but not the point) and he stayed good and hero to his death!
Seems blizz intending to repeat Grom 2.0, the backlash against AU Grom was way too weak and low that blizz ignored it sadly it seems
I honestly thought we were clear that was stupid, either blizz is so isolated from us they didn't notice, or (most likely) backlash was quiet weak that they can ignore it
The beginning of wisdom is the statement 'I do not know.' The person who cannot make that statement is one who will never learn anything. And I have prided myself on my ability to learn
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http://youtu.be/x3ejO7Nssj8 7:20+ "Alliance remaining super power", clearly blizz favor horde too much, that they made alliance the super power
Garrosh just killed soldiers and military targets as well as bomb military cities while letting civilians escape. Sylvanas just bombed a civilian city without caring.
That's the difference. And don't you deny it.
Garrosh is a legitimate military adversary, Sylvanas is a full blown terrorist.
What your describing Is more so decisive plot shaping battles not the horrors of war. Things like the gas attacks on the trench’s in Ww1, burning towns full of non combatants to break the army’s will or cut off supply lines human testing of new weapons to deploy in the field ect, are the horrors of war even if major generals or leaders aren’t directly taken out.
All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.
Do not fret. They still have AU Garrosh to ruin.
He was a well writen character, you don't like it, that is your problem.
you literally said it was, trying to backpedal much hun?Considering I haven't claimed this to be the reason why people are commenting here, this is nothing but a red herring on your part.
Aside from the fact that, yes, his "war strategies" failed too, keep in mind you're basically saying here that Garrosh is incompetent to anything that doesn't exclusively pertain to "war".
He is a warrior, or course his area of expertise will be in the battlefield, you want to claim medics are inconpetent because they can fix a car? jesus
He got stabbed by a poison that was made to stop troll generation, and yet it didn't work on him because ~~reasons~~ that is the definition of plot armor."Didn't happen because of plot armor" is a dumb argument, especially since "plot armor" did not save Vol'jin two expansions later. Regardless, it's another failure in Garrosh's repertoire.
Saying something is not plot armor because the plot armor ended alter is a weak attemtpt for circular logic once again.
And Saurfang said himself that were well effective?Ah yes. The "war strategies" in which Saurfang berated him for being hot-headed and impulsive like his father.
No, but it is fitting that the high chieftian of the tauren enact justice upon the death of his own father. Instead, he chose exile.So you're saying the warchief of the Horde is powerless to enact justice when one of his subordinates wrongs him and makes him an accessory to murder.
Besides, she was already leaved orgrimmar and took thudnerbluff, He denied to help her, and could ahd helped Baine if he asked.
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how that is not true? he single handed turn the tide in the war back in cataclysm and made the horde a super power to stand against the alliance, won definitive battles, took land for the horde and much more.
F. Easily the best warchief we've ever had, and one of the best characters Blizzard has ever written, even if they totally fucked him up in WoD.
Jumped off a ship on to a dragon, beat up a Panda, stole an Old God's heart, went toe to toe with the heroes of Azeroth, killed a bronze dragon, rewrote the history of his people, still slapped Thrall around after being crippled by aforementioned raid group, and then went out on his own terms. Nothing but respect for that Orc.
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Warcraft 3 Reign of Chaos was the game that brought me into gaming. I was 17 years old then, I abhorred gaming before this game. From then on, I became a fan of Warcraft and Blizzard. To see it all go down the drain like this is truly sad for me. No king rules forever but at least some of them went down in history as real badasses. I hoped Blizzard and Warcraft would be one of them but it is no longer possible.
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