SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Endus]

You didn't really read or understand my argument.

You are transcribing ethical concerns to a natural state of being which isn't accurate.

Yeah, no. I was pointing out that bigotry and prejudice and unequal treatment and consideration is a societal invention, and not a natural state. I am pointing to the fact that prejudices and bigotries exist as moral/ethical arguments, not as an absence of such.

Your point was that women and men deserve the same respect and rights was a natural fact when all of human history has shown that this isn't our natural state.

Again, you're starting from a point where there's already a societal set of standards that have been invented and implemented, meaning what you're describing is not a natural state, but a societal invention.

[qwerty123456]

Yeah, no. I was pointing out that bigotry and prejudice and unequal treatment and consideration is a societal invention, and not a natural state. I am pointing to the fact that prejudices and bigotries exist as moral/ethical arguments, not as an absence of such.



Again, you're starting from a point where there's already a societal set of standards that have been invented and implemented, meaning what you're describing is not a natural state, but a societal invention.

You literally have species that rape as a viable reproduction method. You have people who aren't bound by laws going around and raping and shit when they got the chance like alot of the russian soldiers atm. You are completely ignorant to put the blame on society when its a natural fact that people/animals exploit any situation they can. Do you think a predator just randomly goes after any animal in a herd? No they go for one that they are more likely to get whether its because its off on its own, injured, young, old, or what ever. Yes a society can make it so more people do something we see as morally wrong like marrying 10 year olds but we still have people attempting/doing that in societies where its illegal. You can't blame society if someone does shit society disagrees with and yet we constantly have people fucking goats and shit. Also do you seriously think Society just randomly makes up shit and people just go along with it? It has to be within the society already for it to get put into law or be accepted by it. It's society that has been stopping cousins from marrying not nature.

[Unholyground]

Religion poisons everything.

[Edge-]

Dude here goes for the lying fear mongering. Since none of that child sexualization nor fetus boiling happens.

Honestly, his thinking about "boiling, scrambling, and snipping babies" says more about him than it does the actual abortion procedures available.

And beyond that like...the child sexualization stuff is hilarious now that it's "just starting". It's like these people having spend the last 10-15 years watching garbage like "Toddlers in Tiaras" and "Dance Moms" and all the other reality TV shows about sad mothers living vicariously through their 7 year daughter as she twerks on stage for an audience.

Or like, you know, keep getting in trouble for selling babies (Yes, just ask Republican official Paul Peterson - https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/former...elling-scheme/) or child pornography (Ask RNC staffer Ruben Verastigui - https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...-case-00024031).

[Poopymonster]

Honestly, his thinking about "boiling, scrambling, and snipping babies" says more about him than it does the actual abortion procedures available.

And beyond that like...the child sexualization stuff is hilarious now that it's "just starting". It's like these people having spend the last 10-15 years watching garbage like "Toddlers in Tiaras" and "Dance Moms" and all the other reality TV shows about sad mothers living vicariously through their 7 year daughter as she twerks on stage for an audience.

Or like, you know, keep getting in trouble for selling babies (Yes, just ask Republican official Paul Peterson - https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/former...elling-scheme/) or child pornography (Ask RNC staffer Ruben Verastigui - https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...-case-00024031).

Sickening: Knowing some people watch Toddlers in Tiaras or that shit to beat off.
Lost faith in humanity: Knowing some people watch Honey Boo Boo while rubbing one out.

[Endus]

You literally have species that rape as a viable reproduction method.

Not sure why you like that straw man so much, but it has nothing to do with my point.

Also do you seriously think Society just randomly makes up shit and people just go along with it? It has to be within the society already for it to get put into law or be accepted by it. It's society that has been stopping cousins from marrying not nature.

Where did I ever say society was random?

And no; it "doesn't have to be within society already". If that were the case, society would not have continued to develop and change over the millenia, diversifying across the planet as it did so. It's just a patently false statement.

Also, to make a pretty significant set of points;
1> "Marriage" is a societal construct
2> Cousin-marriage is present in most societies in history, and even today. And that's just considering first cousins. Once you expand to shallower levels of consanguinity, it's pretty darned commonplace. So "society" hasn't done shit in that regard. Some minor steps, dating back millenia themselves (the Romans barred anything within 4 levels of consanguinity; person->parent->grandparent<-aunt/uncle<-first cousin is four steps.)
3> Marriage has fuck-all to do with reproductive capacity

You're consistently trying to conflate the natural state absent societal constructs with a natural-world-in-practice framing, which is itself a straw man, since that's never what I was talking about.

[Forogil]

You didn't really read or understand my argument.

You are transcribing ethical concerns to a natural state of being which isn't accurate. Your point was that women and men deserve the same respect and rights was a natural fact when all of human history has shown that this isn't our natural state.

Actually the natural facts are darker, and the very discussion is based on modern hidden assumptions.

When discussing whether a woman is treated differently from a man, the hidden assumption is that different men are in some way treated equally, or at least should be treated equally and have the same rights. Even if we agree, many societies don't agree - and mother nature doesn't care.

[Draco-Onis]

I agree Republicans will get rid of the legislative filibuster the fraction of a second it looks advantageous for them, but this is 100% a warning to Democrats not to do away with it. McConnell hates legislating, hates having his people on the record with their votes, hates platforms and articulated Republican policy positions alike (see Rick Scott)--why give Democrats anything to run against? He has his corrupt Court to do all the deeply unpopular legislating that voters can't do anything about--why paint targets on his caucus members' backs by having them do any legislating? The filibuster benefits Republicans because there's almost nothing they want to pass, and the stuff they do want to pass (tax cuts, more help for the rich, etc) doesn't need 60 votes.

McConnell is 80 years old the house is basically Trump country and every election more Trump senators are taking a seat. Even if he doesn't like it he will have to do it and that's assuming he is still around during that time and is not replaced with a Trumpian senator. The days of the filibuster are numbered, this country wants major change on either side that's why we have gone from Obama to Trump while business interests want that stability even McConnell will not be able to stop this.

His threat is rather meaningless he has Sinema in his back pocket and coal baron Manchin isn't going to vote for it either.

[qwerty123456]

Not sure why you like that straw man so much, but it has nothing to do with my point.



Where did I ever say society was random?

And no; it "doesn't have to be within society already". If that were the case, society would not have continued to develop and change over the millenia, diversifying across the planet as it did so. It's just a patently false statement.

Also, to make a pretty significant set of points;
1> "Marriage" is a societal construct
2> Cousin-marriage is present in most societies in history, and even today. And that's just considering first cousins. Once you expand to shallower levels of consanguinity, it's pretty darned commonplace. So "society" hasn't done shit in that regard. Some minor steps, dating back millenia themselves (the Romans barred anything within 4 levels of consanguinity; person->parent->grandparent<-aunt/uncle<-first cousin is four steps.)
3> Marriage has fuck-all to do with reproductive capacity

You're consistently trying to conflate the natural state absent societal constructs with a natural-world-in-practice framing, which is itself a straw man, since that's never what I was talking about.

It's not a strawman its pointing out that the natural state is the cause and not society. Society can only exacerbate a negative that already exists in human nature.

You seriously think that before society all men were tipping their hats and asking for consent? Why is it when societal breakdowns happen people loot and rape and shit like its going out of style?

Should I have said fucking and producing inbred offspring instead of marriage? I mean technically not all incest is bad but we as a society have seen that it can produce increased birth defects and can also be due to grooming and so we said lets stop X and Y from getting married. And yes marriage doesn't equal reproduction.

A human needs to think of something before society can create a law about it. You can't get a no alien sex law unless someone has thought about sex with an alien.

Except you can't have "natural world in practice framing" without a society to frame it around. When society breaks down assholes still gonna asshole and infact they do much worse things then when they had laws to stop them. Everything in nature shows us the natural state isn't fair. I'm pointing out how that think is harmful since just changing something in society or changing a society completely isn't going to remove those natural biases/flaws from humanity.

[Fugus]

Musk hasn’t made any comment on the matter, but I’m certain he’s only allowing this so his company doesn’t have to deal with maternity leave.

Gotta keep the Musk bots working.

God, I can actually see the GOP responding to something like this by no longer making it where the companies have to offer that as an option in the future.

[gondrin]

God, I can actually see the GOP responding to something like this by no longer making it where the companies have to offer that as an option in the future.

They would have to overturn the FMLA which also deals with service member's families too. However, this doesn't apply to business that are under a certain amount of employees or part time employees working less than 1250 hours in the previous year.

[Poopymonster]

God, I can actually see the GOP responding to something like this by no longer making it where the companies have to offer that as an option in the future.

They already fuck with Tesla's sales in some states because he skips the leeches. In Texas they can't have "showrooms" because they sell direct. Texas doesn't like that, it cuts into car dealers money. They have spaces in the mall (Galleria Houston I'm familiar with), where you can look an actual car or two that is there (those particular cars you see are NOT for sale), then they can direct you (without pressuring you) if you wish to a computer terminal where you can browse and order a Tesla to be delivered in a nearby state. You pick it up there, then have to pay the tag and shit there, then pay again to transfer it to Texas. They'll do what they can get away to Tesla or other companies that don't ̶t̶i̶c̶k̶l̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶b̶a̶l̶l̶s̶ toe the line.

[Rasulis]

Walmart will offer their employees either
A: "Great Value Delete-a-Fetus" kiosks set up in the pharmacy that give a pill, a hand vac, and a dozen pads.
B: "Sam's Club Insta-Doula" stations, for when an employee is giving birth right-the-fuck-now, it'll teleconference you to a Fully trained* doula in Bangladesh who will talk you through giving birth in the monsoon season where the call center is located.
Regardles of which, you have 30 minutes, it counts as your lunch break.

Services vary by location.

*Saw a youtube video.

Funny and sad at the same time. All these benefits are being offered to women that need them the least, and with most access and wherewithal to abortion. Somebody posted a demographic of abortion patients in Tennessee. Women with 4-year college degree accounted for less than 1%.

[Poopymonster]

They would have to overturn the FMLA which also deals with service member's families too. However, this doesn't apply to business that are under a certain amount of employees or part time employees working less than 1250 hours in the previous year.

Remove FMLA and pass a law/Exec Order that picks it up for the military. What future president would take that away from the fodder? Raise the number to something stupid so that all businesses have "under X employees". Companies already don't want "part time" working over X hours a week, if they can save money by all PT going to 23 or less they'd cut like it's MCRs first tour and you're a wrist.

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Funny and sad at the same time. All these benefits are being offered to women that need them the least, and with most access and wherewithal to abortion. Somebody posted a demographic of abortion patients in Tennessee. Women with 4-year college degree accounted for less than 1%.

So 224 women if we're being generous.

[Fugus]

I think, given how Walmart is with Logistics, they could very well take a few of their distribution centers that are closest to them and convert a single room in them to a medical facility capable of handling a procedure like this and then just have them bused there from the nearby states for them and back. Likely on same day appointments.

I know the local Walmart Distribution Center here handles stores from upwards of 3 states away.

With how uncommon this procedure really is, they pretty well could have 1 cover just as many full states without issue and likely pretty cheap overall. Or just as easily, we will start seeing shops selling the morning after pills on the borders of most of these states and they literally just have to pay for them to go that far and back for most of them with the actual facility being even more less likely used.

Honestly, I expect to see the local weed dealers start stocking up on Plan B pills for the states that go for abortion and if the states go after Birth Controls the drug dealers will have a new best selling product for women that is cheap to restock.

[Rasulis]

Musk hasn’t made any comment on the matter, but I’m certain he’s only allowing this so his company doesn’t have to deal with maternity leave.

Gotta keep the Musk bots working.

Recruitment. Almost all of the top engineering schools in the US are pretty liberal.

[Zan15]

Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee signs law adding criminal penalties to abortion pill distribution via mail

Wonder how they are going to be able to regulate interstate commerce like that without a challenge.

oh right, political right wing nuts on the SCOTUS. nvm

[Masark]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/08/us/an...son/index.html

How unfortunate.

[Zan15]

You mean free speech and gun ownership? At least they are going easy on criminals in Los Angeles and not charging them with felonious crimes. Or charging rioters and looters with crimes in several cities.

I also noticed people here are glad justices are doxxed and harassed for doing their jobs.

Wait did you just rally for free speech then rail against it when it came to protestors outside of someone's house?

Can you make up your mind please? Do you actually want free speech or not?

[unfilteredJW]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/08/us/an...son/index.html

How unfortunate.

The cursive graffiti screams a church Karen did it lol.