How can loot even work without warforging/similar systems?

[Gorsameth]

No it didnt i and majority of raiders only logged on for raids nothing else gold got sent through mail from raidleader who brought people in paying gold. There was 0 reason to play wow more then raid log.

The Titanforging system is fine the issue is 4 difficultys making the power increase so much. After week 3 of a patch there was 0 incentive to play anything outside of raidlog

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What are you high on? Bis was very easy to get unless you where playing in some 8 week progression guild. Before mythic raiding i full cleared normal and heroic week 1 every patch ever mythic is way harder though

you cleared 25HC ICC in week 1? congratulations an impressive showing indeed
/s

[GreenJesus]

you cleared 25HC ICC in week 1? congratulations an impressive showing indeed
/s

Psh.. that guy's a casual. I cleared 25HC ICC on the PTR.

[Rendark]

because unlike you other people enjoy playing the game. instead being done within a week and having nothing to do for next 6 months besides logging in once a week to raid.

now those people will just have to unsub .

Who says i didn't enjoy the game? If i don't like it i don't play it. If i'm done gearing, farming rep and whatever else i want to do that patch within a week then that's just a really shitting patch. There is nothing wrong with being done with the patch and only logging on to raid, until the next patch.

[-aiko-]

There is nothing wrong with being done with the patch and only logging on to raid, until the next patch.

I wish I could just scream this at everyone.

It's a good thing for the game to have an 'end point'. When I get my BiS gear I can take a break from the game, after I'm satisfied with being OP of course. That is a beautiful thing. Feeling like there is an endless grind waiting for me until the end of an expansion is a garbage feeling and I disagree vehemently with anyone who wants it. Out with this RNG nonsense.

[Milfshaked]

What are you high on? Bis was very easy to get unless you where playing in some 8 week progression guild.

Did I say otherwise?

Before mythic raiding i full cleared normal and heroic week 1 every patch ever mythic is way harder though

No you didn't. That is an absurd statement. Most raid tiers took weeks if not months for even the world first clear. The only exceptions being T7 and T9.

Mythic raiding did not add any difficulty. They just renamed heroic to mythic, which is seen the most clearly in the 6.0 pre-patch where they straight up relabeled all SoO Heroic bosses to Mythic.

[Ragu4]

Lmao, you can tell who's a newer player and who's older in this thread. Geriatrics rise up!

[Lurker1]

Going to be funny when this backfires and they re-add either forges back or something else in its place like corruption again lol!

[Critical92]

Answer is simple. When you got BIS you either take a break, just raidlog or a very crazy idea, play an alt. Even today people like to equip alts. In shadowlands you can, if the no wf/tf promise keeps going for all of sl, get bis on a few alts too.

[Thirtyrock]

Answer is simple. When you got BIS you either take a break, just raidlog or a very crazy idea, play an alt. Even today people like to equip alts. In shadowlands you can, if the no wf/tf promise keeps going for all of sl, get bis on a few alts too.

When I got BIS, or to the point where all my upgrades came from progression fights (i.e. I couldn't get gear out of dungeons or lower level raids) I would work on older achievements, mount farming, or gold making.

[Lurker1]

Answer is simple. When you got BIS you either take a break, just raidlog or a very crazy idea, play an alt. Even today people like to equip alts. In shadowlands you can, if the no wf/tf promise keeps going for all of sl, get bis on a few alts too.

That really doesn't work the expansions that didn't had forges people would be gone for months even over a year sometimes it's going to backfire bigtime soon.

[Hyeonh]

I hated the forging system anyway, all it did was made gearing less rewarding than it really was.

[Kaibhan]

That really doesn't work the expansions that didn't had forges people would be gone for months even over a year sometimes it's going to backfire bigtime soon.

As opposed to the max exodus of BFA? I can see grinding m+ for progression but grinding for warforges/titanforges is just a chore. More of the game opens up and alts become an option again when you can complete things.

[Zolaris192]

Ya, sadly the answer is "not well."
My bigger concern is if they are going to tune the game with this in mind.
Right now, these extra powers for no additional effort have a serious impact on the difficulty of the game.

Now that you wont be able to potentially out gear the content without having been able to clear it again, will they go back to the less tightly tuned raids we saw in WoD prior?

Raids needs to be easier, we don’t need 4 difficulties of raiding, remove mythic and LFR

Nobody cares about world first, let the prestige be about the loot again, it’s not impressive that you have a “15 ilvl higher version of the same sword I do”

We need to return to the days of “that’s the item I need and I can remember the name of it” and not “I need buccaneer’s tidepole +15”

[RobertMugabe]

Love or hate it, the introduction of thunderforging in mop and the advancing of that system was a necessary evil because otherwise a lot of players would have been "done" and quit way too fast, creating problems not only for the devs but also raiding guilds.

There's nothing bad with simply being done and not realizing that has been Blizzard's problem. Most players don't want to fight an uphill battle against gear.

It was fine back then when you could just play the game for a few months and eventually be done with gearing up your main. Once you were done with that you could just enjoy being top geared or you could do it all over again with an alt... or simply you could just play another game. Or in the case for many if not most players: You'd never get fully geared before a new patch hits or you'd be fully geared just shortly before that.

Like I don't see any issue with how the game worked in all these previous expansions (when the game was at its peak). And tbh even in MoP, TF was just a small +7 ilvl upgrade and added nothing else.

All in all, another thing which has to be pointed out is that part of the reason why TF was also implemented is because Blizz has been simply handing out way too much gear and thus has sped up the usual gearing process just way too much.

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That really doesn't work the expansions that didn't had forges people would be gone for months even over a year sometimes it's going to backfire bigtime soon.

And in reality quite the opposite is the case...

[TrollHunter3000]

This is a thing im worried about since quite some time now, we know so far there will not be a warforging or similar system in SL.

However, how do they keep the incentive for mythic+ and raids once you got most of your important stuff up?

Love or hate it, the introduction of thunderforging in mop and the advancing of that system was a necessary evil because otherwise a lot of players would have been "done" and quit way too fast, creating problems not only for the devs but also raiding guilds.

Im not here to discuss wf/tf or if there could have been a better solution (dead horse), but how you guys think they'll handle it in SL, i can't imagine they'd just let it be like right now -20% drop chance on everything and call it a day.

M+ needs a longterm incentive.
First few bosses in a raid need a longterm incentive.
Casual, non-instanced content needs a longterm incentive.

I really don't want to go to the wod days and before where realisticaly im only motivated to do that one boss at some point because it's the only upgrade i could still get..

They've already said there will be less loot.

[Daymanmb]

Stockholm Syndrome comes to mind when I read people defending wf/tf/corruption

[Laughingjack]

Stockholm Syndrome comes to mind when I read people defending wf/tf/corruption

That isn't correct. WoW has attracted a lot of players including those that kinda hate the premise of it.

It isn't stock home syndrome they just want to see numbers go up but for some reason beyond my understanding don't play.

https://orteil.dashnet.org/cookieclicker/

[Mystikal]

Doing M+ is not casual at all the tower will be for sure atleast.

I do M+, and I'm casual. Casual is not about skill level, it's about how frequently you play.

[Lurker1]

I do M+, and I'm casual. Casual is not about skill level, it's about how frequently you play.

Not really true go look up the info on the word it can be either skill or time ext.

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That isn't correct. WoW has attracted a lot of players including those that kinda hate the premise of it.

It isn't stock home syndrome they just want to see numbers go up but for some reason beyond my understanding don't play.

https://orteil.dashnet.org/cookieclicker/

I agree i hate simple gear systems going to get bored of it real fast dip out at one point because of it lol.

[Feral Druid ist Op]

now those people will just have to unsub .

I hope they do, catering to bad Casuals hurt the game in a long run and blizzard understand this now a bit to late but at least...
The less crying bads the better. There are plenty of casino mobile games for you go and play those Chinese gatcha games and don't come back, im tired to read your cry comments on every thread I peek in.