The truth is everyone in that comment section is one of my socks. Except the one about bowser, that one's @Feanoro.
The truth is everyone in that comment section is one of my socks. Except the one about bowser, that one's @Feanoro.
Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.
Tinkers will be the next Class confirmed.
^^^^^^^^
The mawsworn are mentioned to be Unliving nightmares, enough to run even the bravest warriors blood cold.
basically they are ring wraiths, no fucking way any animal would willingly approach these things. nor would gryphons likely do much, a chain around one of their wings and they are groundbound.
and yeah unless the guards with him had rifles they wouldnt do squat, especially since mawsworn would just shrug off a rifle shot.
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Pretty sure it was stated in the undercity siege that their only nearby airship could not get cose enough without risk of being shot down, why they used boats, hit the shore, and stormed in. i hate to break it to you but the airships are bad at going long distances. they are not very efficient.
Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/
Here's a thought.
If all souls go straight to the Maw these days - why abduct Anduin/Baine/Jaina/Thrall? Why not just kill them and save the trip back to Icecrown?
Then they can't even be "saved" as they're still dead even if we bust them out of the Maw.
Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/
As stated in other threads. living souls have special power in the maw, and capturing them to drain them of anima is much more effective then dead souls.
also things like the light has intervened before for uther, so killing anduin he might not end up in the maw, easier to just capture them, especially since the jailors main power is his chains.
Easier to yoink them away then spend a fair while trying to fight them and maybe kill them.
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i mean we could save them if they were dead too so read above...
As evidenced by Stormwindian missions to Krasarang, Orgrimmar and Stormheim being led or heavily supported by airships.
Oh, yes, because the Light would have so much opportunity to hijack Anduin's soul on its path to the Maw if he were to be killed in the Maw. And where is it said that draining living people of anima is more effective than dead souls, when draining souls of anima is Shadowland's bread and butter? Where do we even see living people being drained of their anima?
Except your paragraph above doesn't say a word about saving them, dead or alive. It only talked about how it'd be efficient for Jailer to drain their anima while they were alive.
Traipsing through your post history doesn't really convey that sentiment, but if that's how it is then that's how it is. Every post I see from you is either condemnation or derision, so I kind of assumed you weren't a huge fan of the game (there's a lot of people who post here quite routinely that aren't). Mea culpa, I suppose. Nothing really "pompous" or any kind of gatekeeping, as it were, just the general assumption from your overall demeanor.
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We can't really conclude that, though; not unless you have some form of precognitive ability - we have the very first chapter (maybe, considering some things are still being iterated on), and the subsequent ones yet to be written. So as I said previously, you're still rushing to a conclusion based on entirely incomplete story. We *do* rescue them, but there's obviously more to their stories that you've already alluded to that we haven't seen, so plenty of time to explore probable changes and the effects of their experiences in the Maw. Like I said before, you've condemned the story basically sight unseen - so you'll understand if I approach your take on as if it were pretty heavily skewed by preexisting bias.
And again, you are unconvinced, that's kind of "you" problem - not much to be done there. If Jaina is unable to escape and has her progress halted and reset at the Jailer's whim, then she's basically stuck - and she remains stuck until we throw a monkey-wrench into the equation and help free her. You're quibbling about the nature of her imprisonment, while failing to note that she's still imprisoned, stuck fast in the Maw at the Jailer's discretion. If it weren't for the Maw Walker and our ability to escape the Maw on an as-needed basis then she wouldn't ever get free. Jaina herself describes the experience as harrowing and maddening, and won't even speak of it after the fact - so you tell me exactly how that isn't supposed to be formative? You're basically shaking your head and denying the narrative even exists when it's spelled out more or less plain as day.
You're the one who implied the cinematic was "largely found funny" and generally heralded as bad, I pointed out you were wrong and you almost immediately backpedaled and implied WoWHead itself was biased in my favor, apparently? I didn't even cherry-pick responses but pulled back and mix of bad and good - meaning people liked and people disliked it, although based on the YouTube metrics it seems the response is trending favorable despite your assertions. The fact that the criticisms are similar doesn't mean anything, the praise is similar too - the fact that people parrot one another should be of no surprise to either one of us, after all. I'll even admit it's a bit cheesy myself, but then it's really just a connecting cut-scene and I didn't expect it to be a masterpiece of any kind. Like I said previously and I think you tend to forget: "memes aren't facts." The fact that someone can make fun of something doesn't imply it's bad on its face, because anything can be made fun of in the right context (or by stripping out the right context as with a lot of these "meme" jokes).
I like Talanji as well, though I think she could've used a bit more exploration and exposition as concerned her character in-game, especially prior to her succeeding her father as ruler of Zandalar. Her bit-pieces in Nazmir didn't really feel like enough to flesh out her character when it was really needed, though Shadows Rising has helped a bit in that regard, at least after the fact. I still don't understand where this "a million guys" thing is coming from? In the intro scenario to the Maw you find evidence Jaina had taken out a handful of minions, and the assembled squad of Jaina, Thrall, Darion, and the Champion take out a squad of Mawsworn Val'kyr that are hunting you - and it takes all of you to successfully ward off the named Mawsworn Kyrian who appears to collect the lot of you. You're vastly overstating Jaina's prowess in the Maw. I can't claim I'm super impressed by the Jailer as a "big bad" yet myself, but then I also don't think he's really done much yet to be impressed by just yet. I'm still in the wait and see stage insofar as his characterization pans out.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
Kinda late to his but I must say the hilarity of the kidnapping scene plus Genn's yelling at clouds made my day.
I bet Sylvanas got herself tattooed with Stormwind's flight patrol shuedule all the way back in Wotlk to pull off this Prison Breakesque manouver.
Is there anything this woman didn't plan for?
Don't worry, it is.
I'm just taking a piss at it because I'm of a impression that you could've achieved the same result they were going for, minus the hilarious parts, if you've just put a little bit more effort into thinking how the whole kidnapping scene should play out.
I don't complain though, it's Anduin and it's hilarious. My checkboxes are pretty much covered.
Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/
Outside of magic, they kind of always have? Azeroth has gravity, the fundamental laws of thermodynamics, and lightning is just as fatal (just ask Garrosh's corpse in Nagrand). I'd imagine in terms of the lore that Stormwind's gryphon-riders probably aren't out in a storm, unless there's an known attack on the way or something.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
Even though I feel bad for letting you indulge my provocation at which in my opinion is poorly thought out cinematic any further, I must say that even if we take this as a lore thing, it's still funny how only Anduin's need for lamenting over his father's monument is something even a bad weather or lack of personal guards can't postpone for more convenient time.
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So "they apply except when they don't"? Okay? Magic is so strongly rooted into Warcraft's world it's silly trying to separate them. Also, Garrosh died to magically inflicted lightning strike, he wasn't hiding under a tree during a storm... And
That get regularly broken? Literally every cinematic has an example of those laws being broken, not to mention, the Outland? How's that gravity for ya?Azeroth has gravity, the fundamental laws of thermodynamics
EDIT: And yeah, how could I forget, a giant sword impaling the planet...
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Pretty sure the implication from the cinematic is that the cloud cover was both exceedingly quick and patently unnatural. It was likely a clear day prior to the Mawsworn bringing the cover of darkness with them like a pall.
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None your examples here really change the essential point that magic aside, the world operates on the same basic rules. Lightning is just as lethal on Azeroth as our world, conductivity still works, gravity pulls, etc. etc.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead