"Moving the goal posts." That's another phrase you guys like to use nowadays. Except I never moved the goal posts, I said what I think to begin with and haven't erred from it. You disagree with my opinion that, despite what you believe, is something that many people agree with, even a damn Youtube channel in the case of T&E, who highlights some of the angry, dimwitted remarks that people post every time there's a new blue post.
You must have a savior complex, because it seems to me like you think you have to defend the people with negative criticisms. You can lighten your burden buddy because like I've said multiple times now, I have no inherent issue with negative criticism. My issue is with vitriolic and/or idiotic statements that cause meaningless arguments, which often times aren't thought out to begin with rather posted from a place of emotion. There isn't anything wrong with being emotional but there's something wrong with being a negative nancy, someone who makes everything negative. You can have a discussion about negative things without having a seeming negative attitude all the time, by the way. There is something to be said for optimism, having just a dash of it perhaps, instead of making everything seem like the end of the world. A large amount of people (or just a vocal minority) seem to be so fatalistic, claiming "this is the end" everytime they see something they dislike. Don't even try to argue with that because it's a literal meme at this point, with those people coming out to post on forums without fail every expansion.
Right, you have to be educated on politics or medicine to a certain level to be a politician or a doctor. But you're using my analogy to draw a false equivalence in the context of someone keeping up with a video game. Just like people can keep up with the sciences without currently being a scientist, people can keep up with WoW without currently playing the game. You may feel any way you wish to feel but people can be educated on the current goings-on World of Warcraft without playing the game. I don't need to go to school for it. It's not surgery, it's a video game, and nearly every damn change made to the game is documented on the internet.
And no, I don't have an issue with people disagreeing with me. I will defend myself when someone brings into question my intentions, however. Let's drop the pretenses and I'll make it simple:
1) People across the internet are upset about the current state of WoW and despite what you may believe, I understand and I sympathize
2) There are plenty of people who discuss these issues in a mature manner but that often gets drowned out by detractors who complain for the sake of complaint, or make negative statements that provide nothing to the conversation, causing meaningless arguments.
3) I would personally like to see less attacks on others for their perspectives and more of, whether in agreement or not, understanding of each others' viewpoints. That's something I've certainly been trying to do as much as possible.
In closing, you're right this thread really doesn't belong here because it's more a statement on society than World of Warcraft at this point. I think it should just be closed at this point!
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I try not to overdo it myself. I do feel sorry for them sometimes, but they really have it out for themselves. People do not believe them anymore. They endured several years of frustration and lies with their arrogance and stubbornness.
They have been bad devs for a long time now and if this is what's needed for them to finally get the message, then it's a message they need to hear. Not even just for the devs, but for the execs/Activision/shareholders themselves that more often are behind some terrible decisions.
This can make things like the need for a delay something they can more easily achieve when the community itself is saying it's needed. This, honesty, is apparently what is needed. Pretending things are well when they aren't is not gonna help anyone.
The "nice" approach hasn't been working. After 4 years of ineffectiveness, i support being brutally honest at this point, cause it seems to be the only way to deliver the message.
I can respect that and I do agree. Conversely, however, people have been acting like this since vanilla and we're still at the same point. There have been situations when making enough noise has caused change, such as recently with the Shadowlands location-restricted covenant abilities. But that's more or less an outlier isn't it?
It's charity, you know.
Be grateful they generously offer you product, then get excited for next products.
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Maybe you just haven't been in it for long enough.
What you call incessant complaining and hating is probably just the result of different things compounding that causes players to be frustrated and disillusioned with the state of the game or the way the developers are developing said game.
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Yeah, well, a lot of people see the source of a complaint as a non-issue if it doesn't particularly affect them either.
My problems = real, valid issues
Their problems = whining and entitlement
Does anyone ever have such a bad time that they post on the forums that other people are complaining about a game they love, so in turn you come to the forums to belittle those avid consumers of said game they love so that they will what.. hang up their mantle?
If you're wanting players to quit the game, you have to start with yourself
People who like the way things are, would be playing the game instead. I didn't check any wow forums during Legion because I was busy having fun playing the game.
THE HORDE WILL ENDURE
THE HORDE IS STRONG!
To qoute a friend that have been playing since TBC and been beta/ptr testing until mid-Legion and afterwards stopped:
"Whats the f**king point when they say they want feedback but never seem to take any action until after its released. If they dont intent to fix things we've reported to them on mass since the beginning of the testing until its out - why even bother testing and reporting, its gonna be broken regardless."
Personally, i just complain because its the trendy thing to do but others have tried their best to help blizz for years to make the game better and it just fell on deaf ears.
Clearly this thread rubs people the wrong way so at this point I think we should let it die, no point in going back and forth anymore.
The last thing I'll say is that I suppose I have a different perspective from other people, which is not a problem of course. Furthermore, what I've learned from this is that I need to keep things simpler. If I had said "I wish I saw more positive discussion and creative pursuits in regards to World of Warcraft and less anger towards the game" it would have been much less contentious (and also not worthy of a thread to begin with, but this one isn't worthy either).
But like I said there is no point in going back and forth. I've got an unpopular opinion on something and there was no need to share it here!
Where are the positive uncles at?
Negativity is usually pointed at bad stuff Blizzard does. Being negative can help battle bad stuff Blizzard does and get it fixed. Being negative is healthy for the game. Defending bad stuff is the toxic way of action.
Considering the "who asked for this" people are basically saying "why would you implement something we've specifically made clear isn't popular by your plummeting sub numbers" you're being a bit misleading by being so vague.
Nobody asked them to double and triple down on terrible gimmick gear systems. They in fact showed they didn't want them by abandoning BFA when azerite was revealed to be the poop system it was. Instead of understanding that, Blizzard tripled down by adding essences and corruption to the game.