Blizzard should look into the amount of splitting the playerbase.

[Gimlix]

Even with 10 million active users the game will still feel dead with the amount of servers WoW has, amount of sharding/CRZ/Phasing and of course amount of game versions we nowadays have..

World of Warcraft Classic.
World of Warcraft WOTLK
World of Warcraft Retail.

Retail is split into around 500 realms (EU & US etc)
Retail is not only split into 500 realms but also into WM on/OFF
Then you also have Sharding, Phasing and CRZ that split off even more players.

How does this game not feel dead even when the game isn't? Is this what MMORPG's is all about? Making the game feel like a singleplayer game so everyone has something they like?

Does Blizzard really think that a game that feels dead is something that will pull in more customers? Even if the game isn't dead, makin' the game appear dead won't help them at all. Or do you think Blizzard is just in for the Cash flow and understand this concept aswell they just don't care?

[Lochton]

Even with 10 million active users the game will still feel dead with the amount of servers WoW has, amount of sharding/CRZ/Phasing and of course amount of game versions we nowadays have..

World of Warcraft Classic.
World of Warcraft WOTLK
World of Warcraft Retail.

Retail is split into around 500 realms (EU & US etc)
Retail is not only split into 500 realms but also into WM on/OFF
Then you also have Sharding, Phasing and CRZ that split off even more players.

How does this game not feel dead even when the game isn't? Is this what MMORPG's is all about? Making the game feel like a singleplayer game so everyone has something they like?

Does Blizzard really think that a game that feels dead is something that will pull in more customers? Even if the game isn't dead, makin' the game appear dead won't help them at all. Or do you think Blizzard is just in for the Cash flow and understand this concept aswell they just don't care?

Retail is not split into that many realms, as many realms have been merged but are still registered with their name.

The biggest split is over-sharding, and Classic, with Classic, TBCC, and WrathC.

[Caerrona]

Everything you listed helps the world feel "more alive".

Don't know how you could be so wrong but the o ly reason my dead server has packed zones is with shards and crz.

[Gimlix]

Everything you listed helps the world feel "more alive".

Don't know how you could be so wrong but the o ly reason my dead server has packed zones is with shards and crz.

And the main reason why my overpopulated realm feels dead is because of all of this. 100 man people in Goldshire, down to 10 man due of layering. Sorry but this is not okay in a MMORPG. im glad ur dead realm is alive due of it, but they should had deleted ur dead realm ages ago.

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Retail is not split into that many realms, as many realms have been merged but are still registered with their name.

The biggest split is over-sharding, and Classic, with Classic, TBCC, and WrathC.

WM On/off is a big split off 2 communities aswell. which is not okay..

[Lochton]

WM On/off is a big split off 2 communities aswell. which is not okay..

WM is more than fine. It was glorious in BFA, and slowly dying out but we can't completely remove WPvP nor merge them back anymore.

[Gimlix]

WM is more than fine. It was glorious in BFA, and slowly dying out but we can't completely remove WPvP nor merge them back anymore.

Yes we can, WoW is build on WPvP too bad blizzard is fucking that part of the game over.
WM On/Off should just be merged togheter but if you got WM OFF you cant fight other players, very simple. But you can still see the WPvP happening and enjoy the outdoor activity of others.

Sorry but how is this less logical then not being able to see both parties?

[Kokolums]

the game is almost 20 years old and still cannot handle large scale pvp. in fact, it handles it worse now than in vanilla because they switched to virtual servers to cut costs.

[Gimlix]

the game is almost 20 years old and still cannot handle large scale pvp. in fact, it handles it worse now than in vanilla because they switched to virtual servers to cut costs.

Because Blizzard has 0 value left in their playerbase and has lost their #1 best title to #1 Worst for a reason.

[WowIsDead64]

Even with 10 million active users the game will still feel dead with the amount of servers WoW has, amount of sharding/CRZ/Phasing and of course amount of game versions we nowadays have..

World of Warcraft Classic.
World of Warcraft WOTLK
World of Warcraft Retail.

Retail is split into around 500 realms (EU & US etc)
Retail is not only split into 500 realms but also into WM on/OFF
Then you also have Sharding, Phasing and CRZ that split off even more players.

How does this game not feel dead even when the game isn't? Is this what MMORPG's is all about? Making the game feel like a singleplayer game so everyone has something they like?

Does Blizzard really think that a game that feels dead is something that will pull in more customers? Even if the game isn't dead, makin' the game appear dead won't help them at all. Or do you think Blizzard is just in for the Cash flow and understand this concept aswell they just don't care?

First of all - forced overcrowding is bad. Seeing other players in a world? Is good. Exceeding competition, that makes game more annoying and toxic? Is bad.
Second thing - if they can't make game, that is good compromise between different playstyles, then splitting playerbase is only possible way to have maximum amount of paying customers.

Some players ask game to be more hard, some ask to make it easier? Some players get angry, when content is "taken away" from them to please other players? Only way to solve this problem - to split them, so they won't see each other.

[Gimlix]

First of all - forced overcrowding is bad. Seeing other players in a world? Is good. Exceeding competition, that makes game more annoying and toxic? Is bad.
Second thing - if they can't make game, that is good compromise between different playstyles, then splitting playerbase is only possible way to have maximum amount of paying customers.

Some players ask game to be more hard, some ask to make it easier? Some players get angry, when content is "taken away" from them to please other players? Only way to solve this problem - to split them, so they won't see each other.

Splitting the playerbase in a MMORPG sounds very logical....
People who complain about certain stuff should understand that the world doesn't revolve around them.

It's like when i play a FPS and i say this game is RP unfriendly, so they should change it. That is how Blizzard is destroying their game. Listening to that 1%

[Lochton]

the game is almost 20 years old and still cannot handle large scale pvp. in fact, it handles it worse now than in vanilla because they switched to virtual servers to cut costs.

We have no issue with 200-300 man PvP events, it gets spicier at 400-500..

[Kokolums]

We have no issue with 200-300 man PvP events, it gets spicier at 400-500..

asmongold literally did videos on this where hed try some large scale pvp and the game choked.

[Lochton]

asmongold literally did videos on this where hed try some large scale pvp and the game choked.

Just before Shadowlands we did around 300 without issue. Of course some small hick-ups due to the massive graphical load but nothing majorly bad. Just before BFA, I think we pushed it to about 500-600, where it truly struggled to the point where the phasing system got aggressive and divided the flocks until a GM appeared and tried merging it again.

[MoanaLisa]

WoW is buil[t] on WPvP

No, it isn't and never has been.

[WowIsDead64]

Splitting the playerbase in a MMORPG sounds very logical....
People who complain about certain stuff should understand that the world doesn't revolve around them.

It's like when i play a FPS and i say this game is RP unfriendly, so they should change it. That is how Blizzard is destroying their game. Listening to that 1%

Should we remove dungeons and raids then, because they're multiplayer content, not true MMO?

And again. This is well known "Players can be forced to love this game" misconception. If game would switch to just one variant of every content, players wouldn't magically switch to doing it. They would quit. So, asking to do it - is very selfish thing. It's something like "Only players, who truly deserve it, can play this game". And who would decide, who deserves playing this game and who doesn't? May be you? M? Devs? You know, it's double-edged blade. What if they would decide, that it's YOU, who don't deserve playing this game? What would you say then? So, it sounds like hypocrisy.

[DarkTZeratul]

The biggest split is over-sharding, and Classic, with Classic, TBCC, and WrathC.

There aren't separate TBCC realms like there were with Classic. All of them switched over to Wrath. Not sure if they'd do that again if they end up doing Cataclysm Classic, though. That might be a case where they shard again.

[Enter Name Here]

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People who complain about certain stuff should understand that the world doesn't revolve around them.
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i guess you just invalidated your own thread.

[Kikazz]

SNIP

in the last day alone, you have made 4 posts about the Immersion or the failings of blizzard in relation to wow.

if you dont like the game, its simple, its not for you.

find something else to play.

[Akka]

Retail is not split into that many realms, as many realms have been merged but are still registered with their name.

The biggest split is over-sharding, and Classic, with Classic, TBCC, and WrathC.

There is no TBCC server.

[Accendor]

Just before Shadowlands we did around 300 without issue. Of course some small hick-ups due to the massive graphical load but nothing majorly bad. Just before BFA, I think we pushed it to about 500-600, where it truly struggled to the point where the phasing system got aggressive and divided the flocks until a GM appeared and tried merging it again.

I don't know man, in BfA servers were not able to handle 20 man pvp so I feel like you are lying, I just don't know why.