Originally Posted by
martiz
He is not posting nosense and I believe plenty of people don't tend to even look at each other. The whole bubble spamm occured with 4.0.6 and I really find many discussions going around whether it is correct or incorrect. Truthfully speaking it is one way of mitigating damage,though I don't believe it was blizzards intended reason to make it overly overpowered. Topping the charters is frankly speaking lame statement to use and that it's the intended reason to bubble spamm.
Why is it effective? Because of the buff it were given. Why do we use it then? Because it's effective and favors the most end game encounters the most. Why did Blizzard try to hotfix it? It was overly overly leagues ahead of the other healers, whether it be on charter or not.
This way I think people don't try to look back or forward but simply being stuck in what the current issue is. Pre- WotLK for example Disc was put was a PvP spec, Holy PvE, in WotLK disc got the implemented " Bubble Bot " due to the effectiveness of it, though this was later into the expansion.
Didn't see much bubble spamm in ulduar, but that could be just me.
As for the quoted post, Preventing Damage instead of restoring health is a playstyle? It sure is my friend, but just as they tweak healing done preventing damage shouldn't be overpowered which it in current state is. Paladins got nerfed, LoD was OP and the Tower of Radiance change lowered it even more, but are they in a good place now? Yes I think so and I also think that disc priests will end up in a good place too. But all this bullshitting each other's playstyle as you mention, just keeps getting on my nerves.
Why did resto shamans get a buff with 15% to Purification? - In order to keep up with the other healers.
Why did holy paladins get slight tweak nerfs? - To not exceed the healing done way above the healers.
Why are disc priests power word: shield being tweaked around at now? - Simple, to not being excessively overpowered.
ZippyDoodle , you're saying that PW:s will most likely be your #1 Spell, right? Then why are the logs, recount, the charters saying something else? The other spells ARE far behind because of the favored way to only spamm that spell. Which IS NOT intended to since Blizzard wants to nerf it. Disc isn't complicated since you'll maximize the HPS and utility of the ( nerfed PW:s ) than using your other spells like resto shamans, resto druids, and holy paladins do.
We use PW:s...... what else do we use ? ( I'm talking about shield botting ) Sure, we do use CoH here, or PoH there but our vast majority of heals come from PW:s ( Still talking 'bout shield botting ).
What are Paladins doing? They use Beacon of light, Holy shock and Crusader strike to maintain Holy Power which they'll need to consider on who to use and when, also timing up so they are prepared for massive AoE along with Divine Favor + Holy Radiance.
What are the Shamans doing? Since they're reliant on the their Tidal Wave along with aiming their Chains Heals whether it needs a quick HW there or a GHW over there.
It might not look like a different, but our fellow healers use a bigger journal of spells than the shield spammers do to maintain their HPS. How to a shield spammer maintain HPS? Well by only using GCD's / Shields, PoM, Instant heals - and no this is not intended to ( Remember TBC peeps? CoH spamm all over that was given a CD because it was too OP?
So I clearly see Spiritus point of view and I can't get people that don't even give a chance to read his post properly. I agree that holy isn't meant to shield spamm, we have never been until now and I'm sure Blizzard missed that. Otherwise they wouldn't want to nerf it.
Spiritus is making great posts and I hate people that says he has no idea what he's saying, I don't like to hear that from someone who mention he haven't been holy/disc 100% since the start of WoW, and who had to pull spells out of his spell book during an encounter. *pointing at TiduZ I believe that you don't understand the factors Spiritus are pointing out since you're mostly stuck on some other plan rather than meeting him half way and turn the other cheek around.
Also to add, since TiduZ you disappoint me in saying that given the practice for holy you could also give higher parses? May I ask if this included the shield spamm along with thrown in CoH here and there? Doesn't this simply just copy the disc style pre-nerf other than what Holy is now?
I don't care about the parses, but I care about the mechanics itself. "This Spec" is just another Bubble spamm spec due to Soul Warding and given the increased Raw healing Holy gives it's a certain fact you'll provide higher parses with given practice. It doesn't change the fact 40%-50% = PW:s and I see no difference between that and the nerf which literally isn't a nerf anymore.
> No offense bro this is a question and a tiny summarization of my own personal opinion in this matter. <
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1. Shield spamm is NOT intended to in the excessive way it is ( Disc pre-nerf & Holy in current state )
2. Damage Mitigation is intended but being leagues AHEAD of other healers is not intended.
3. Using one single spell to maximize a priest's healing done is NOT intended to.
4. Cataclysm was said to be challenging on the mana and healing than what it was in Wrath of the Lich King. With the changes to the increased mana cost and use of spells in my own opinion cataclysm is supposed to use your whole character. With challenging I -believe- that they wanted each class to use their spells wisely.
5. From the topic to tell, shield spammers use their spell wisely but not in the intended way blizzard wanted to hence the reason they are nerfing and tweaking it at the moment. And overall we're not on at the same level of the other healers just yet because of this.
- We top the charters with 1 spell. ( Don't deny the fact since it gives you the most HPS given since it's an absorb and absorbs damage before damage hits, so heal won't get the HPS since there's nothing to heal )
- The others get on the meters with timing in spells. ( Holy paladins Radiance, Shamans Healing Rain, Druids Wild Growth+Efflorcence)
So there really is a difference and this is not what blizzard wants, priests to go bubble spamm in order to maintain their healing. Our Power Word:shields are meant to mitigate damage and not being excessively used as a main spell.
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The above stated is what I believe. Since Blizzard wouldn't nerf it otherwise.
Edit: The blue posts have been updated, I suggest we all go read it. <<<<
Edit 2: ZippyDoodle is making a great point. Raid encounters are the mechanics Blizzard give and whether it's designed or not is up to the players to comprehend. I don't believe that Magmaw is intended to be spread out all the time. To make use of the Raid Cooldowns it's a given fact that a Barrier is meant to be placed ABOVE - multiple players - since it's a Barrier, makes sense right?.
So here you're actually comprehending it in an odd way, Spiritus.
Also a raid setup is not the other one's alike due to the favor of cooldowns, dps and such, it's very important to consider or there are easily misunderstandings. ZippyDoodle runs with x2-3 disc priests because of the Raid Cooldowns, which favors Hard Modes other than Normal Modes since it's huge damage going out and the use of a class specc and abilities is determined on when to use, how to use and where.
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I am sorry for the wall of text and I hope some care to read it. I've expressed my opinion here and I'm glad to share my thoughts. But in all honesty I plea to everyone to remain at a debate level without personal accusations. This is discussion and personal offending is not the right place, my suggestions is take it in PM instead. And try to keep this discussion going instead of short ill comments amongst each other.