MMO-Champion - Patch 4.0.1 release date, Heroic Deadmines, Blue Posts
Update - Someone just pointed out that the EU site has been updated and now shows October 13th, it either means that the patch is postponed, or that it will be deployed one week later in Europe.


Patch 4.0.1 release date
We're very close to the release of Patch 4.0.1, at this point the only question is "How close?"

As far as I can tell, you can probably expect the patch on October 5th or October 12th. Ghostcrawler already suggested that the patch would be deployed right before the end of the arena season and added that "they shouldn't have a lasting impact on ratings, titles, and the like".
Originally Posted by Ghostcrawler (Blue Tracker)
Since the current PvP season will end when these changes go live, they shouldn't have a lasting impact on ratings, titles and the like. We are prepared to just drop a temporary player damage nerf on all BGs and Arenas if necessary just so things don't feel too silly until everyone can level up to 85.
Additionally, the World of Warcraft Trial Website has been updated and now announces that the new streaming client will be available on October 5th, which is exactly what we've been testing on 4.0.1 PTRs.

As usual, nothing is official, but it's probably close enough.



Heroic Deadmines Video
TotalBiscuit released a nice video preview of the Heroic version of the Deadmines, one of the two revamped classic dungeon of Cataclysm.





Currency Conversion - Calculator Update
The Cataclysm Currency and Honor Calculator has been updated with the latest values of Justice Points.
Originally Posted by Bashiok (Blue Tracker)
We’ve revised the Justice Points conversion rate for Emblems of Triumph and Emblems of Frost. When the upcoming 4.0.1 patch goes live, these emblems will be converted into 11.58 Justice Points (up from the previously planned 2.75 Justice Points per emblem). Justice Points accrued above the soft cap of 4,000 will be converted to gold at a rate of 47.5 silver per point (down from 2 gold per point) when patch 4.0.3 goes live.

The original explanation thread (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...Id=26850245012) and the subsequent conversion math update (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...&pageNo=10#184) have been updated to reflect these changes.

[...] The previous conversion rate was intended to devalue Frost and Triumph a bit to discourage some amount of farming and hoarding of points before the conversion, but then we came to the conclusion that no matter what we do people would be farming well above the softcap, and we shouldn't try to make it more difficult for them to do so.

Emblems and Badges




Honor points!







Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

No Worgens and Goblins before Cataclysm
Worgen and goblins require the activation of a Cataclysm key and will not be available in patch 4.0.3 until Cataclysm launches. (Source)

Patch 4.0.1 and 4.0.3
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. These aren't filler patches we developed to tide players over. Patch 4.0.1 will implement nearly all systems changes necessary for Cataclysm (including class and UI changes). We've done this before every expansion to lay down the framework. Patch 4.0.3 brings about the Cataclysm, forever changing Azeroth.

This has always been the plan for Cataclysm, as we've never released an expansion quite like this one before. On the one hand, this expansion offers another increased level cap with all-new leveling and end-game content. On the other hand, this expansion is virtually rebuilding the content of the entire original game from the ground up.

Again, patches 4.0.1 and 4.0.3 are not offering filler content. These patches are to implement all of the new content and systems which do not require the purchase of Cataclysm. (Source)

Tanking
Why was threat decay scrapped?
We still like the idea and it might return someday.

We scrapped it because we didn't think it was necessary and we wanted to focus on things we thought were necessary. We ended up changing threat modifiers quite a bit and getting rid of a lot of the threat management talents. Furthermore, Vengeance is keeping tank dps up pretty well in beta tests -- often 75% or higher of dps. Finally, it was causing a lot of concern among tanks. The intent was to make threat generation more engaging, ultimately to make tanking more fun. But I think we ended up changing so many aspects of tanking (large health pools so avoidance matters more, less AE tanking, mana mattering more, Vengeance, etc.) that changing threat on top of all of that just seemed to some* tanks to be that final straw that made Cataclysm tanking feel totally unfamiliar to them.

* -- This kind of thing is always subjective. We didn't poll every tank; nor would we put a lot of weight on that anyway. Instead, we read a lot of forums and talked to a lot of tanks we knew to gauge whether this was something they were excited about or not. We know there are tanks that hated the idea and those that will be sad to see it go, as is the case with almost any design change. I offer all of that footnote just to try and stave off some of the inevitable threads that will launch from this one. "Healers don't like running out of mana -- remove that. Warriors don't like rage normalization -- remove that." We welcome your opinions on all of those things, but encourage you not to search for the magic switch that will get us to change out minds in areas where we disagree. (Source)

Paladin/Warrior mastery undertuned?

Increasing the value per point of mastery for paladins or warriors is not hard to do. Likewise, we might shift more of the warrior mastery between block and critical block because of the value of Shield Block.

I'm also not sure we're that worried about paladins (or anyone) blocking, dodging or parrying every hit. That isn't the game breaking scenario that it used to be. If in later tiers of gear you manage to do it, probably by giving up on other stats, I'm not sure it's a huge danger. Sixty percent of damage is still a lot and none of those stats help with magic damage. In a world where two back to back normal hits could kill you, it would be a lot more valuable. In Cataclysm, it might just translate to healer mana savings. We'll keep an eye on it of course.

We did change parry to scale from Strength. (Source)

Fan Art
The Official Fan Art Gallery has been updated with a piece entitled: Pally Tank!

This article was originally published in forum thread: Patch 4.0.1 release date, Heroic Deadmines, Blue Posts started by Boubouille View original post
Comments 138 Comments
  1. Baygon's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Infinitus View Post
    Well if I understand it corrrectly there will be another patch after 4.01 (4.02 or 4.03?)that will not be the fullblown cata release but still introduces the changes to Azeroth with the new and revamped zones etc. After that cata will be released in full so the december prediction fits well in that time frame.

    ---------- Post added 2010-09-30 at 10:51 AM ----------



    If you read GCs post carefully he says that they are prepared to release 4.01 even if there is 1 week left on season 8 as he doesn't think it will impact ratings much.
    if you still think december is still relevant after this, your a bit silly honestly. December won't ever come it will be November or January not in between. because December is a terrible time to release things such as Cataclysm a lot of people will be doing family stuff and most people wouldn't buy anything when christmas is so close, that's why. and also if you did read the post, or whatever 4.0.3 will be a few days before Cata not months
  1. Limpy's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Temsen View Post
    That's not what I was asking about. If the cap was staying at 4k all the way to 85, you'd essentially be wasting justice points after 4.0.3 seeing that you cannot go over the 4k cap, but you' most likely aquire some more JP raiding and also in cata dungeons.

    Thats the pount in the cap, you won't be able to build a huge amount of jp, to get a head start. And you will earn jp in cata only in heroic dungoens. And thats about the time you'll spend your jp on items anyway.
  1. crsh1976's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Baygon View Post
    if you still think december is still relevant after this, your a bit silly honestly. December won't ever come it will be November or January not in between. because December is a terrible time to release things such as Cataclysm a lot of people will be doing family stuff and most people wouldn't buy anything when christmas is so close, that's why. and also if you did read the post, or whatever 4.0.3 will be a few days before Cata not months
    Not only that, but also it seems like a really bad idea to me to launch an expansion 10-ish days before pretty much all the staff over at Blizzard goes out for the holiday break; it would be a disaster and nobody wants to see a "servers are offline" message throughout that time. Even if it pains me, they should just wait til January if it's not ready for a November launch.
  1. Limpy's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Naoto View Post
    So let me get this straight, come 4.0.1 all the emblems and honor get converted to the new shit, so how do we buy the WOTLK shit? or is it optional if we want to convert it?

    Of course the cost of the items get converted too. So you'll be able to buy the WOTLK items with the "new shit".
  1. Baygon's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by crsh1976 View Post
    Not only that, but also it seems like a really bad idea to me to launch an expansion 10-ish days before pretty much all the staff over at Blizzard goes out for the holiday break; it would be a disaster and nobody wants to see a "servers are offline" message throughout that time. Even if it pains me, they should just wait til January if it's not ready for a November launch.
    the only thing worst then Angry Customers, is Angry Stakeholders who were told about a Q4 2010 Release...and didn't get one..
  1. crsh1976's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Baygon View Post
    the only thing worst then Angry Customers, is Angry Stakeholders who were told about a Q4 2010 Release...and didn't get one..
    Sure, but angry customers = potentially lower revenues = potentially even angrier stockholders. Depends which way they want to go..
  1. Infinitus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Baygon View Post
    if you still think december is still relevant after this, your a bit silly honestly. December won't ever come it will be November or January not in between. because December is a terrible time to release things such as Cataclysm a lot of people will be doing family stuff and most people wouldn't buy anything when christmas is so close, that's why. and also if you did read the post, or whatever 4.0.3 will be a few days before Cata not months
    I have said all along that December is a bad month to release an expansion and it therefore might be postponed to January if they don't make the November deadline. However, if believe that Boub's prediction is right (he is almost always right on these matters) then the time frame fits well into a December release.
  1. Krullthor's Avatar
    what I'm curious about and what I haven't read about yet, is what will happen with the vendors of lower Tier items.
    I try to collect tier sets for alts: will the Emblem of Conquest vendor and it's items still be in the game for example? and what will happen with the price of depreciated armor tokens post Cata?
    (i.e. the T8 helmet token currently costs 58 Emblem of Conquest)

    will those items cost:
    - the same amount of Justice points no matter what the current Tier is, or
    - a lower amount of Justice points (like with BC Arena sets), or
    - will their price be converted to gold?

    depending it may be better for me to buy those old Tier items pre-cata, because I have some low emblems left and they'll be converted to gold
  1. zaitzait's Avatar
    Patch 4.0.1 before season end ? Niceone FailCrawler
  1. zaitzait's Avatar
    Patch 4.0.1 live before season end ? NICEONE FAIL CRAWLER
  1. GhostSkull's Avatar
    Do I have this straight?

    With the early October patch 4.0.1 our Triumph and Frosts will be converted to Justice Points which buy blue gear which can't be used to level 85. You'll be making your choices based on anticipated need because anything over the cap of 4000 JPs will turn to small amounts of silver with patch 4.0.3. We'll then sit on those blues we can't wear until Cata hits and we can level to 85. Which means we run the risk of replacing them with drops, crafted, and reputation rewards.

    It seems to me that I patch 4.0.3 must come after folks have had time to level, right?
  1. seventhsin's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by crsh1976 View Post
    Sure, but angry customers = potentially lower revenues = potentially even angrier stockholders. Depends which way they want to go..
    WoW players will buy the expansion whether it's this year or next so that's not really a valid point.
  1. Baygon's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by GhostSkull View Post
    Do I have this straight?

    With the early October patch 4.0.1 our Triumph and Frosts will be converted to Justice Points which buy blue gear which can't be used to level 85. You'll be making your choices based on anticipated need because anything over the cap of 4000 JPs will turn to small amounts of silver with patch 4.0.3. We'll then sit on those blues we can't wear until Cata hits and we can level to 85. Which means we run the risk of replacing them with drops, crafted, and reputation rewards.

    It seems to me that I patch 4.0.3 must come after folks have had time to level, right?
    currently on the beta you need to be lvl 85 to buy those items from the vendors
  1. Belial's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Krullthor View Post
    what I'm curious about and what I haven't read about yet, is what will happen with the vendors of lower Tier items.
    I try to collect tier sets for alts: will the Emblem of Conquest vendor and it's items still be in the game for example? and what will happen with the price of depreciated armor tokens post Cata?
    (i.e. the T8 helmet token currently costs 58 Emblem of Conquest)

    will those items cost:
    - the same amount of Justice points no matter what the current Tier is, or
    - a lower amount of Justice points (like with BC Arena sets), or
    - will their price be converted to gold?

    depending it may be better for me to buy those old Tier items pre-cata, because I have some low emblems left and they'll be converted to gold
    As far as I know they will still be there.. atleast they are still there on the ptr last I looked.
  1. seventhsin's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by GhostSkull View Post
    Do I have this straight?

    With the early October patch 4.0.1 our Triumph and Frosts will be converted to Justice Points which buy blue gear which can't be used to level 85. You'll be making your choices based on anticipated need because anything over the cap of 4000 JPs will turn to small amounts of silver with patch 4.0.3. We'll then sit on those blues we can't wear until Cata hits and we can level to 85. Which means we run the risk of replacing them with drops, crafted, and reputation rewards.

    It seems to me that I patch 4.0.3 must come after folks have had time to level, right?
    4.0.3 will go live before the expansion is released. With the 4000 JP cap this only allows you to buy 1 or 2 items once you hit level 85.....you can't buy the gear till you reach the level. The blues will be equivalent to level 85 heroic blue drops.
  1. BigMastadon's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by GhostSkull View Post
    Do I have this straight?

    With the early October patch 4.0.1 our Triumph and Frosts will be converted to Justice Points which buy blue gear which can't be used to level 85. You'll be making your choices based on anticipated need because anything over the cap of 4000 JPs will turn to small amounts of silver with patch 4.0.3. We'll then sit on those blues we can't wear until Cata hits and we can level to 85. Which means we run the risk of replacing them with drops, crafted, and reputation rewards.

    It seems to me that I patch 4.0.3 must come after folks have had time to level, right?
    Frost/Triumph are being converted into Justice Points. Anything buyable with badges now will also have their costs converted into Justice Points. Level 85 blues will also cost Justice Points... so you have a choice on if you want to buy lvl 80 stuff (or primordials and whatnot) with JP or wait until Level 85 to get a head start on gear for heroics. You are thinking JP are only usable at 85 which is incorrect. This change is not that difficult people...
  1. Darkozz's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by GhostSkull View Post
    Do I have this straight?

    With the early October patch 4.0.1 our Triumph and Frosts will be converted to Justice Points which buy blue gear which can't be used to level 85. You'll be making your choices based on anticipated need because anything over the cap of 4000 JPs will turn to small amounts of silver with patch 4.0.3. We'll then sit on those blues we can't wear until Cata hits and we can level to 85. Which means we run the risk of replacing them with drops, crafted, and reputation rewards.

    It seems to me that I patch 4.0.3 must come after folks have had time to level, right?
    Patch 4.0.1 (biggest part of the patch being the changes to classes) ---> Patch 4.0.3 (biggest part being the change of all the old zones but keeping the 80+ zones locked) ---> Cataclysm (level cap 85 and all level 80+ content unlocked)

    This is how it should go from what we know
  1. winzi's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormgnoef View Post
    gifv new patch so can get tier 10 on my every alt rofl.Gg blizzard for more welfare epix and i never even touched icc.Already 4/5 t10 on main.

    And plox gifv new streaming client.Was playing ptr after downloading 200 mb. 3mb/s dl speed ftw.
    Good for you. btw.. 4/5 "already" isn't exactly fast considering that ICC been out for a good 10 months. Most people have been gearing their alts in atleast ilvl251 t10 several months ago.
  1. seventhsin's Avatar
    The wording that Ghostcrawler used is a bit confusing. The arena season is definitely ending on the 12th and I think he means to say since the patch goes live when the season ends they won't be affect ratings or titles. And the nerf to the bg's is to compensate for the imbalance in numbers before the damage pass that will occur once we hit 85. Using that logic expect a Oct.12th patch.
  1. Infinitus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by GhostSkull View Post
    Do I have this straight?

    With the early October patch 4.0.1 our Triumph and Frosts will be converted to Justice Points which buy blue gear which can't be used to level 85. You'll be making your choices based on anticipated need because anything over the cap of 4000 JPs will turn to small amounts of silver with patch 4.0.3. We'll then sit on those blues we can't wear until Cata hits and we can level to 85. Which means we run the risk of replacing them with drops, crafted, and reputation rewards.

    It seems to me that I patch 4.0.3 must come after folks have had time to level, right?
    Nobody forces you to spend all your points on day one.

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