Little sister beginning to step away from ''the right (drugs)'' path.

[NineSpine]

what? i dont live in the us, but in my country and i think everywhere in europe it's like if you have a small portion of weed and cops search you, absolutely nothing happens. when you distribute, or have a huge amount of weed, u get in trouble.

so how is it in the us? if i have 1g weed, i can get arrested for that? and then how does the guy who i am talking to when applying for a job find out about this?

If you have a felony on your record, you have to put it on a job application. it's an idiotic, fascist system.

However, in most of the country marijuana possession isn't a felony, so it doesn't matter.

[applejuice007]

I hate threads like these. They degrade into what we have here every single time.

Is pot illegal, yes. Should it be? Probably not. There are far worst legal things on the market now. We all know this. There is no disputing it at this time. It isn't 100% safe either. Studies exist to prove both these points. I bet most of us have seen them.

Is weed a gateway drug? Of course it is. You do it to enjoy the high, so trying for a better high is the natural progression here. This doesnt mean weed=crack whore down the road. There are always weak minded people out there that do not understand doing harder drugs is bad for you. These are the same people who get psychologically addicted to weed. But lets face it, if you cant say no to weed or harder drugs it isnt weeds fault. You were more than likely going to fuck up your life some other way. Being weak minded will get you in the end, it always does.

This all comes from experience as well. I did try harder drugs for better highs but knew where to draw the line. I would still be smoking today if I could find some to be perfectly honest. New town and all makes it hard.

I have a family, 3 kids, a wife and a successful job. This is not because of weed, but it isnt in spite of it either.

Ive had functioning pot heads and alcoholics alike work for me. Ive also had train wrecks for human beings try and fail because of the same things. It's like anything else in like. Some people cant handle it and some can not. But like anything in life the real fuck ups are louder and more noticeable than the good ones. It is a side effect to being weak minded.

A lot of what everyone here is saying is true, but more often than not people just refuse to see the other side of the story. I've had the privilege (punishment..?) of working with youth for 12 years now. the 15-19 bracket. It is the same every year.

Trying to force opinions onto others is a waste. The fact is it will be legal in the years to come, people will do it either way and it isnt any of anyone elses damn business.

[Deleted]

does not matter who says what to you, if your going to experiment your going to experiment.
best thing to do is to teach her the good, the bad, and the horrendous sides of drug use. DO NOT preach to her about it, And certainly let her know that you are someone safe that she can turn to if and when she needs to.

get her to look at http://www.talktofrank.com its a UK site so the law side of it will be different depending on what country your in, however it is a very good site for anyone who takes, or is planning on taking drugs.

[Jokerfiend]

We can question it all day but it will not change that it is illegal. It isnt for me to explain I didnt write the law and I neither agree or disagree with it. I merely decide to follow it or not and take the consequences of my decision. Yes I do speed and I have been ticketed in the past. I cant bitch or complain or even argue that in the last 5 years I have been rear ended 3 times but, have never hit anything myself. These things dont change that speeding is illegal and I must accept that they are and deal with the consequences for disobeying them.

So again, you have the willingness to break laws that are arbitrary to you. Yet, have the balls to call out people that do the same with Pot. Gotcha.

[NineSpine]

Can you move aside from statistics and acknowledge I was talking about myself. I fit into that. My biological father was predisposed to alcoholism...if I tried it the chances of me being addicted would be high.

I don't care who you are talking about. My father was a heroin addict and I drink socially just fine. Do you have any EVIDENCE that alcohol addiction relates to a predisposition to a non-chemical addiction to a different drug? No, you don't.

[Shakari]

Why? Non-addictive, less of a health hazard than smoking or alcohol....please, explain.

The thing to point out is you said .... less of a health hazard... Its still a health hazard and is illegal. So its a bad choice.

Like smoking and getting plastered every weekend is a bad choice. The young never do anything in moderation and then wonder why they have 70 year old livers at 40 years of age....


And I'd like proof... not just some article saying "Findings suggest" etc that an illegal substance is less harmfull that 2 legal ones.

Not saying the 2 legal ones can't cause harm or cause no harm when used.

[Garnier Fructis]

If you have a felony on your record, you have to put it on a job application. it's an idiotic, fascist system.

However, in most of the country marijuana possession isn't a felony, so it doesn't matter.

I don't see what's wrong with that. If an employer doesn't want to consider someone with a felony conviction, they should be able to know these things about their applicants.

[NineSpine]

The thing to point out is you said .... less of a health hazard... Its still a health hazard and is illegal. So its a bad choice.

It's a minor health hazard at worst. Eating potato chips is likelier to impact you more. Driving in a car is a larger health hazard. It's "illegal" but in most places it's a misdemeanor and is rarely even charged as that.

Like smoking and getting plastered every weekend is a bad choice. The young never do anything in moderation and then wonder why they have 70 year old livers at 40 years of age....

Marijuana doesn't have those kind of effects, so it's a moot point.

And I'd like proof... not just some article saying "Findings suggest" etc that an illegal substance is less harmfull that 2 legal ones.

Not saying the 2 legal ones can't cause harm or cause no harm when used.

Here is a well cited list:
http://norml.org/library/health-repo...alth-mythology

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I don't see what's wrong with that. If an employer doesn't want to consider someone with a felony conviction, they should be able to know these things about their applicants.

Because you create a situation where people who have had serious drug issues in the past or come from bad backgrounds have trouble reintegrating into society and fixing their lives. It's not a wise policy to put walls up around disadvantaged people. You just make the problem worse.

[Shakari]

Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
I totally disagree. I have met people who smoked weed every day, even multiple times a day, their brains were so fried and they weren't even classified as adults yet.

I've met people who ate cheeseburgers that were the same way.

And that detracts from the effects of what Rennadrels posted above how?

just stating another bad thing causing the same effect means nothing and is irrelevant lol

[NineSpine]

And that detracts from the effects of what Rennadrels posted above how?

just stating another bad thing causing the same effect means nothing and is irrelevant lol

The point is that correlation does not equal causation. The fact that lazy people smoke weed doesn't mean weed causes laziness.

[Chaochamp]

The thing to point out is you said .... less of a health hazard... Its still a health hazard and is illegal. So its a bad choice.

Like smoking and getting plastered every weekend is a bad choice. The young never do anything in moderation and then wonder why they have 70 year old livers at 40 years of age....


And I'd like proof... not just some article saying "Findings suggest" etc that an illegal substance is less harmfull that 2 legal ones.

Not saying the 2 legal ones can't cause harm or cause no harm when used.

Don't have anything to back up that cigs are less harmful (cba to find one) but here's one for alcohol: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2331779.html

[Deleted]

Sadly this is apart of growing up. Nothing you can really do.

I grew up without doing drugs, ever. How is fucking up your body part of growing up (yeayea, one won't hurt blahblah.)

You know, I agree. This is why I don't have a problem when my 7 year old nephew hits his 6 year old sister with a bat. He could be hitting her with a car instead for god's sake!

People should only do unlawful things where a moral imperative becomes paramount to the law. Smoking pot, to me, is not the same as refusing to go to the back of the bus. The fact that the law may be stupid or arbitrary is not a good reason to not follow it.

My advise? 1) you had no right to look at her phone so anything you say will be ignored for that reason and 2) she will ignore you anyways because she is a teenager. If I were you, I would send her an email admitting you should not have been looking at her phone and apologizing for that and then explaining that while you recognize it is her decision to do what she will with her life and you will respect her decision, you are concerned for her for whatever the reasons you are so concerned.

I agree that pot is not dangerous. I agree that alcohol and smoking is worse (and I don't partake of either). But one of those is illegal (actually all three for her). Breaking the law is what is at question here. I would not hire a pot smoker. Ever. Not because smoking pot is bad in itself. But because the pot smoker, through his actions, demonstrated that he wont follow rules simply because he believes them to be stupid. Why would you ever want an employee like that?

So you're pretty much saying that someone who's smoked pot probably will kill people because he doesn't care about the rules anyway? There's different "levels" in rules. You're not hiring someone for doing drugs because he showed he doesn't care about rules? Then don't hire anyone who ate candy before dinner even though their mom told them not to do it. Or people who used to fight over toys when they were 5. Or people that got a speeding ticket. Or people who drop garbage on the street... You're not going to find a lot of employees that way. Yes, the candy isn't Illegal, but it's still a rule that was broken, and that was your problem with smoking weed.

[wilbbailey]

Just who did I call out? Now you make me want to call you a moron. Was it when I said we have to take responsability for our actions? Ive had eanough pot heads tonight good luck attacking people and putting words into their mouths it seems to be a trend for you.

So again, you have the willingness to break laws that are arbitrary to you. Yet, have the balls to call out people that do the same with Pot. Gotcha.

[Jarg]

I've smoked my first marijuana when i was 14, now im 24 and still alive, got a normal job, living myself etc, if she tries weed or whatever else drug its her choice not yours, it wont kill her or whatever. You dont need to intervene, it will just make it worse, do it only when she got serious problems because of it...

[Sheadeo]

http://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/Gr...istJan2012.pdf


there you go, a grandma who has made it her mission to spread the word of ganja.

seriously though, every link in that list is a medical document regarding the many uses of cannabis.
educate yourselfs, ignorance is ugly.

also to the op, if its just weed, chill. who knows. it might be good for her. if its meth or something like that, then ya, I would talk to her. cause meth will fuck you up.

[Hyve]

Let her make her own mistakes.

If she comes out of it okay, good on her, if she ends up a drugged up prostitute (Sorry, no offence) then use her as an example for your future children. There is little you can do. If it is a bit of weed, just tell her to be cool about it, and not do anything stupid, if it is something more hardcore, tell her to get a fucking grip, or you'll call the police.

Don't actually, but it might be enough.

[Kasierith]

Now you are strawmanning your original statement.

You might want to look up the definition of a strawman before you use the term improperly again.

Which was a reply to mine.

Except that you seem to have forgotten there was an entire post in between. And so, I shall post it again: Because politics isn't about what's best for the country; it's about being reelected. Smoking is such an intrinsically connected factor of US culture, in a vast variety of areas, that even despite the irrefutable and numerous negatives assigned to smoking you're going to have to have massive changes in the voter base before you can get a solid number of politicians to implement its ban. Then there's the problem that, because it is so massively addicted, what are you going to do with the millions of addicts once it is banned?

The government attempted to outlaw alcohol, but the people forced the issue and reversed the amendment. So no, alcohol isn't on the government's hands.

So then, I did claim that the Government has it labeled incorrectly for a reason. This is direct correlation with prison populations and prison labor, with evidence of products like Tobacco and Alcohol on the market. Not including, most of cases in drug court are Pot related.

Yes, the evil government is purposefully feeding misinformation, to keep a commonly used drug in illegal status, to ensure it's prison labor.

So the government makes pot illegal because it wants people in prisons? You apparently have much to learn about the current state of the US prison system. Hint hint: they're overloaded and thus inefficient. I'd really like to know what half-rate conspiracy site you get all of your information from.

Your facts are only half correct. In terms of dealers, cocaine holds the highest amount of arrests- http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/12statab/law.pdf . Although that entire factoid is essentially irrelevant.

[Shakari]

It's a minor health hazard at worst. Eating potato chips is likelier to impact you more. Driving in a car is a larger health hazard. It's "illegal" but in most places it's a misdemeanor and is rarely even charged as that.



Marijuana doesn't have those kind of effects, so it's a moot point.




Here is a well cited list:
http://norml.org/library/health-repo...alth-mythology

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Because you create a situation where people who have had serious drug issues in the past or come from bad backgrounds have trouble reintegrating into society and fixing their lives. It's not a wise policy to put walls up around disadvantaged people. You just make the problem worse.

While that site does link lots of "findings suggest evidence off", Or it states basically there is not enough evidence to give solid results and lots of study result none of it is proof, just findings of a small studies and information takes from those findings none of it is conclusive.

[Destruktion]

Anything can be psychologically addictive. Aspirin can be psychologically addictive. Greasy food. Sugar. Potato chips. Sex. Porn.

None of those things are intoxicating or disabling, unlike marijuana.

[Jokerfiend]

Just who did I call out? Now you make me want to call you a moron. Was it when I said we have to take responsability for our actions? Ive had eanough pot heads tonight good luck attacking people and putting words into their mouths it seems to be a trend for you.

Calling people out by telling them they are WRONG BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL. When asked of the validity of said illegal status, you said "not my problem". Thus it devalues your WRONG BECAUSE ILLEGAL statement.

I never said you would never take the responsibility of said illegal actions. Neither has anyone else here with Pot.

I make you want to call me a moron. How can words make you do anything? If you want to call me a moron, do so. I ain't a child I can take it.