How did the Sunreavers become Blood Elves?

[Mandible]

The sunreavers - the lineage. Not the group.

[Deleted]

Yes but it's because they weren't 2 groups until wrath. The untainted elves turned their back on the tainted ones and tried to prevent them from ever rejoining. That's why there's 2 groups, one tainted and one "pure". One group joining with the Horde didn't help either.

I thought about that possibilty, but couldn't find anything that outright stated they were just formed recently. They are called Sunreavers and the leader is Aethas Sunreaver, so I thought they were an older faction with a history. I don't know why, I just always assumed.

[Netherspark]

My question is, how did the Sunreavers, who were living in Dalaran for over 2000 years, all turn into Blood Elves.

The house of Sunreaver were likely kicked out of Dalaran when the Blood Elves were kicked out of the Alliance in Waracraft 3. They were only allowed back in when Dalaran went neutral in WotLK. The time inbetween is when they became "fel-tainted".

In short, they weren't a part of Dalaran when they became tainted.

[Deleted]

The house of Sunreaver were likely kicked out of Dalaran when the Blood Elves were kicked out of the Alliance in Waracraft 3. They were only allowed back in when Dalaran went neutral in WotLK. The time inbetween is when they became "fel-tainted".

In short, they weren't a part of Dalaran when they became tainted.

That's a different theory than "they were founded after WC3". So far I haven't found any source that talks about when the Sunreavers were founded.

[Northem]

http://www.wowpedia.org/Sunreavers

Sunreavers were just blood elves admitted into the kirin tor

Exactly, the Sunreavers are just a group of blood elves formed with the sole mission to infiltrate into the ranks of the Kingdom of Dalaran by appealing to that their ancient race (the High Elves) were welcome in this human realm.

Vereesa was right, and as has been proven, the blood elves, corrupted by demonic magic, are nothing but traitors and should never have been admitted to a kingdom of the Alliance.

In short: the High Elves who have always lived in Dalaran and call it home are the Silver Covenant members, plain and simple, the Sunreavers are just a few foreigners who have wanted to claim something that is not theirs. The Sunreavers have never belonged nor will belong to the Kingdom of Dalaran.

[Uennie]

Exactly, the Sunreavers are just a group of blood elves formed with the sole mission to infiltrate into the ranks of the Kingdom of Dalaran by appealing to that their ancient race (the High Elves) were welcome in this human realm.

Vereesa was right, and as has been proven, the blood elves, corrupted by demonic magic, are nothing but traitors and should never have been admitted to a kingdom of the Alliance.

In short: the High Elves who have always lived in Dalaran and call it home are the Silver Covenant members, plain and simple, the Sunreavers are just a few foreigners who have wanted to claim something that is not theirs. The Sunreavers have never belonged nor will belong to the Kingdom of Dalaran.

Good then get those High Elves out of my Sunwell kthx.

[Northem]

But Jaina said the Sunreavers were serving the Kirin Tor for over 2000 years. When the player asks her to throw them out, she uses that as a reason not to do that.



Of course they were not Blood Elves 2000 years ago, but they were there. I just assume that the Sunreaver organization existed and served Dalaran for over 2000 years then.

When Jaina says that, she was referring to their race in general, to the High Elves, not specifically to the Sunreavers (the poor stupid girl still believed that the Blood Elves were the same as the High Elves, luckily then she realized of the truth...)

[SuperN]

You guys are forgetting something very important. Aethas travelled to Silvermoon prior to WotLK and asked Rommath and Lor'themar for their support. He needed more Blood elves in Dalaran for his faction. Rommath initially said no, he vehemently said no. Lor'themar only overruled Rommath after Sylvanas forced his hand. Many of the Blood elves in Dalaran only went there because of they were ordered to. After Rommath got back from Outland he made damn sure to cut all ties between Silvermoon and Dalaran after the stunt they pulled. Aethas and a few others didn't believe this despite being Blood elves themselves, these few blood elves went to Dalaran of their own choice.

All of the High Elves in Dalaran have not been there since prior to the Third War, they came from Theramore, Stormwind, the few scattered remains of Dalaran after Archimonde played sandcastle.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The reason there is a rivalry is most likely due to them being Blood Elves sucking life out of beings and using Fel magic etc etc oh and kicking out High Elves for not doing their ways. It's in a way sort of a *Vengeance* or Eye for an Eye.

[Deleted]

When Jaina says that, she was referring to their race in general, to the High Elves, not specifically to the Sunreavers (the poor stupid girl still believed that the Blood Elves were the same as the High Elves, luckily then she realized of the truth...)

No, she was specifically talking about the Sunreavers.

[Northem]

No, she was specifically talking about the Sunreavers.

Yees, she was talking about the Sunreavers, but as a race, not as a particular group

[Thage]

Exactly, the Sunreavers are just a group of blood elves formed with the sole mission to infiltrate into the ranks of the Kingdom of Dalaran by appealing to that their ancient race (the High Elves) were welcome in this human realm.

Actually, their mission was to take down Malygos. I know you've got almost as big a hardon for the Alliance as certain other unnamed posters have one for Thrall or Garrosh, but you're omitting the very important part where the Sunreavers were completely loyal to the Kirin Tor until Garrosh began throwing the orcs' weight around and shoehorning the other Horde races into following his sociopathic need for glory--also, both the Alliance and Horde versions of the scenario as well as hints dropped in Tides of War imply that Aethas was unaware of the betrayal occurring and that the average Sunreaver--effectively a civilian who fills in a needed role not directly related to military combat or the magocracy--had no idea what was going on until Vereesa kicked down their doors and either dragged them off to jail or killed them for resisting.

Vereesa was right, and as has been proven, the blood elves, corrupted by demonic magic, are nothing but traitors and should never have been admitted to a kingdom of the Alliance.

Yes, because the blood elves are such horrible people for not making themselves Garrosh's next target, never mind that Dalaran had gone neutral in the interests of getting enough warm bodies to take down Malygos and, because things actually worked out pretty damn well in Dalaran, kept it like that as a proof of concept that the Alliance and Horde can coexist.

In short: the High Elves who have always lived in Dalaran and call it home are the Silver Covenant members, plain and simple, the Sunreavers are just a few foreigners who have wanted to claim something that is not theirs. The Sunreavers have never belonged nor will belong to the Kingdom of Dalaran.

So, where were all those high elves while Kael'thas was bleeding to retake Dalaran from the Scourge and protect it from massive Scourge counterattacks? Oh right, they were busy putting their noses in the air and adopting a holier-than-thou mentality. Where were the high elves when the Shattered Sun Offensive went to retake the Sunwell from a demon lord? Oh yeah, they were clinging to human society to avoid extinction so they could maintain their holier-than-thou mentality. Where were the high elves when the blood elves pushed into Outland and helped kill their power-mad traitor prince? Right--off doing fuck-all and maintaining a holier-than-thou mentality.

[Deleted]

Yees, she was talking about the Sunreavers, but as a race, not as a particular group

The Sunreavers are not a race. The player asks her to throw them out and she says that the Sunreavers, while they are part of the Horde, have been living in and serving Dalaran for over 2000 years and it's their home.

[Northem]

The Sunreavers are not a race. The player asks her to throw them out and she says that the Sunreavers, while they are part of the Horde, has been living in and serving Dalaran for over 2000 years and it's their home.

Which is true, but I insist that he was referring to their kind, not to the Sunreavers as a concrete group.

[Sandrox]

So, where were all those high elves while Kael'thas was bleeding to retake Dalaran from the Scourge and protect it from massive Scourge counterattacks? Oh right, they were busy putting their noses in the air and adopting a holier-than-thou mentality.

Actually, a large chunk of the High Elves were in Hyjal, stopping the Legion and then settling in Theramore.

The Sunreavers are not a race. The player asks her to throw them out and she says that the Sunreavers, while they are part of the Horde, have been living in and serving Dalaran for over 2000 years and it's their home.

It stopped being their home when they abandoned Dalaran after the third war. They eventually came crawling back, but its not the same.

[lordjust]

No, she was specifically talking about the Sunreavers.

When she talks about the Sunreavers she means Aethas and his ancestors that lived in Dalaran for over 2000 years.

Since Dalaran went neutral and let people back into town Aethas wanted to bring Bloodelves into the city but the Silver Covenant didn't want to accept Bloodelves so that Aethas made his own group which is called the Sunreavers. It makes sense that all Sunreavers are Bloodelves because it's a very new organization and if they weren't Bloodelves they could easily join the Silver Covenant but they can't.

[Thage]

The Blood Elves that were in the Shattered Sun Offensive were the Scryers, and they were helping clean up a mess they helped make in the first place

The Scryers were there stopping the Legion, any 'mess' they made was cleaned up when adventurers dropkicked Kael'thas and his council at Tempest Keep (and even then, the Scryers defected before they really had time to do anything more than a few military operations), but the point remains that the high elves were off doing fuck-all to retake the Sunwell but still somehow found the cajones to want pilgrimage rights and continue to look down their noses at blood elves.

It stopped being their home when they abandoned Dalaran after the third war. They eventually came crawling back, but its not the same.

They 'abandoned' Dalaran when Garithos had Kael and his troops slated to be executed for following orders and accepting help where offered. They 'came crawling back' by having a blood elf who was already a member of the Kirin Tor open up talks (talks that, In the Shadow of the Sun implies, were opened by the Kirin Tor) after Lor'themar realized there was no point in not doing so, since Sylvanas had him by the short hairs and pushed him into sending troops up north anyway.

edit: In the short story, Lor'themar and especially Rommath even went so far as to basically tell the Kirin Tor to piss off because he still remembered the whole 'being jailed and slated for execution for following orders from a racist jerkass and taking help to survive suicide missions' thing before Lor'themar rethought his stance and told Aethas to go ahead and do it. Worth noting that he specifically points out how the Kirin Tor stood by and did nothing while Garithos drummed up charges of treason and ran a kangaroo court to get them convicted.

[Northem]

Actually, their mission was to take down Malygos. I know you've got almost as big a hardon for the Alliance as certain other unnamed posters have one for Thrall or Garrosh, but you're omitting the very important part where the Sunreavers were completely loyal to the Kirin Tor until Garrosh began throwing the orcs' weight around and shoehorning the other Horde races into following his sociopathic need for glory--also, both the Alliance and Horde versions of the scenario as well as hints dropped in Tides of War imply that Aethas was unaware of the betrayal occurring and that the average Sunreaver--effectively a civilian who fills in a needed role not directly related to military combat or the magocracy--had no idea what was going on until Vereesa kicked down their doors and either dragged them off to jail or killed them for resisting.

Yes, because the blood elves are such horrible people for not making themselves Garrosh's next target, never mind that Dalaran had gone neutral in the interests of getting enough warm bodies to take down Malygos and, because things actually worked out pretty damn well in Dalaran, kept it like that as a proof of concept that the Alliance and Horde can coexist.

So, where were all those high elves while Kael'thas was bleeding to retake Dalaran from the Scourge and protect it from massive Scourge counterattacks? Oh right, they were busy putting their noses in the air and adopting a holier-than-thou mentality. Where were the high elves when the Shattered Sun Offensive went to retake the Sunwell from a demon lord? Oh yeah, they were clinging to human society to avoid extinction so they could maintain their holier-than-thou mentality. Where were the high elves when the blood elves pushed into Outland and helped kill their power-mad traitor prince? Right--off doing fuck-all and maintaining a holier-than-thou mentality.

From the point of view of the Alliance, the Blood Elves are mere traitors, so you can not trust them. Most important is that eventually, Jaina learned that lesson, and today Dalaran is again what it has always been: one of the basic pillars of the Alliance itself. At the same time, the High Elves all over Azeroth now have a role model: the example of Vereesa and her Silver Covenant.

[Thage]

From the point of view of the Alliance, the Blood Elves are mere traitors, so you can not trust them. Most important is that eventually, Jaina learned that lesson, and today Dalaran is again what it has always been: one of the basic pillars of the Alliance itself. At the same time, the High Elves all over Azeroth now have a role model: the example of Vereesa and her Silver Covenant.

From the Alliance POV, Varian himself was in talks to get the blood elves to defect away from the Horde and Jaina fucked it all up because Blizzard figures writing her as a psychopath with brain damage centered on the parts of her brain that deal with logical conclusions is easier than writing a mentally-balanced female, and got pissed off at her for it. Jaina's actions pushed the blood elves back into the Horde when Lor'themar was on the precipice of defecting from it, adding another nation of powerful mages to the Alliance's ranks and putting a huge hole in the Horde's magical arsenal.

[Deleted]

When she talks about the Sunreavers she means Aethas and his ancestors that lived in Dalaran for over 2000 years.

Since Dalaran went neutral and let people back into town Aethas wanted to bring Bloodelves into the city but the Silver Covenant didn't want to accept Bloodelves so that Aethas made his own group which is called the Sunreavers. It makes sense that all Sunreavers are Bloodelves because it's a very new organization and if they weren't Bloodelves they could easily join the Silver Covenant but they can't.

Oh come on. Why would she let the whole faction stay just because of Aethas. She was talkng about the Sunreaver Blood Elves in general and that is clear.