So Long, and Thanks for All the Spectral Fish

[twothe]

Best news of the day, week and year!

[Mesovr]

I wonder how shocked people will be when they find out that dodgy class balance was not caused by one man. Chances are the poor guy after GC just get blamed for it as well.

[Pancaspe]

GC you were fantastic at your job, and added so much to WOW. Thank you.

[stomination]

^this, so much this.. people need to stop it, and grow up. frankly, he's brought the game to a wider audience, with his team and the great ideas the staff have put together.

I'm actually worried where WoW will go from here, and if it will ever appeal to me again. (WOD doesn't interest me much, with no class or race)

Thanks a lot GC. Best of luck in your new company. I'm sure you'll thrive with a passionate player base there as well.

When ppl cry out for balance its not a good idea to throw in a new class. and make balancing even harder.

[Deleted]

Awww a shame, he seemed very competent

Hope his new job brings him lots of fun

[Drusin]

The P.P.S was funny since everyone says he plays a mage lol.

[Deleted]

Annnnnd with that i am now getting WoD


YEEEEEES !!!!

[Deleted]

have fun GC

[Difuid]

Annnnnd with that i am now getting WoD


YEEEEEES !!!!

I can't wait to see your tears after it turns out GC wasn't the cause of your problems with WoW.

Here let me give you this vial beforehand.

[Frozen Death Knight]

Wow, so much ignorance in this thread.

I'm willing to bet that 99% of the things you people are bitching about would've changed no matter who the lead designer was. The game wouldn't have frozen itself in amber in 2008 and refused to adapt just because the big evil GC didn't come along. Use your damn brains.



There's already a thread where they're trying to invent a conspiracy retroactively. Gold, just gold.

Exactly. Hope people get a wake up call in the future, since it is getting kind of ridiculous.

[Deleted]

Many people say now that GC did a good job and so on (often related as GC fanboys), but what exactly you think he did good? To talk to the community in a calm matter? (whats obviously the job of every game designer and community manager). So I want to summarize shortly what I personally feel he did wrong and I dont care If you agree or not. Just sharing my opinion since I started playing WoW classic and quit the game when LFR was released.

1. Classes
GC was a balance freak. The homogenization of classes and their abilities in order to "balance" the game was a clear decision of GC. Some may say, yeah we stacked classes in sunwell and so on (before GC was lead), but I didnt have that experience myself. Neither have I seen many guilds doing this. The only guilds who could do this were the really big ones who had 5 or more good warlocks or shamans. Thats the minority.
Also, to go back a bit further in the past when I just reached lvl60 in vanilla, I really thought this game could be providing fun endlessly to me, since I had so many different classes and unique abilities to figure out. It took ages to get epic gear on 1 class, so I thought this game could take forever, If I had to have all classes being successful and in epic gear.
But now I have no motivation to start playing a new class, since everything feels the same. Homogenization is in my opinion the worst decision that could happen to WoW.

2. Quests
Since I clearly remember GC talking about daily quests and their limit back in Wotlk (25 a day), I really thought this was a bad decision again. Why? Well, why limitate quests, why not grind yourself to the top? Sure grind is boring, but remember: Almost everything was a grind in vanilla, and people still came to the game and played it. The grind made you unique, since you had those things that others didnt have. Feeling elite or unique in your own niche is a good thing!

3. Raids and Dungeons
Well I cant say that GC is responsible for Heroics being easy as shit nowadays and the LFR being a social desaster. But since he is the lead designer, he could have at least try to change the direction in the past years. Did he do so? probably not. I guess they will not remove LFR, neither make the heroics harder again. The point of no return is reached in my opinion. They should make vanilla/tbc servers after WoD (probably last expansion with lvl100), so that veterans can at least play the game they liked and dont bother playing on private vanilla/TBC servers.

Maybe Tigole can change direction, but I dont think he will come back since he is the Lead on Titan. The game is too fcked up in my opinion to change anything.

[Dirke]

Goodbye Greg! and good luck!

[Grimm3]

Many people say now that GC did a good job and so on (often related as GC fanboys), but what exactly you think he did good? To talk to the community in a calm matter? (whats obviously the job of every game designer and community manager). So I want to summarize shortly what I personally feel he did wrong and I dont care If you agree or not. Just sharing my opinion since I started playing WoW classic and quit the game when LFR was released.

1. Classes
GC was a balance freak. The homogenization of classes and their abilities in order to "balance" the game was a clear decision of GC. Some may say, yeah we stacked classes in sunwell and so on (before GC was lead), but I didnt have that experience myself. Neither have I seen many guilds doing this. The only guilds who could do this were the really big ones who had 5 or more good warlocks or shamans. Thats the minority.
Also, to go back a bit further in the past when I just reached lvl60 in vanilla, I really thought this game could be providing fun endlessly to me, since I had so many different classes and unique abilities to figure out. It took ages to get epic gear on 1 class, so I thought this game could take forever, If I had to have all classes being successful and in epic gear.
But now I have no motivation to start playing a new class, since everything feels the same. Homogenization is in my opinion the worst decision that could happen to WoW.

2. Quests
Since I clearly remember GC talking about daily quests and their limit back in Wotlk (25 a day), I really thought this was a bad decision again. Why? Well, why limitate quests, why not grind yourself to the top? Sure grind is boring, but remember: Almost everything was a grind in vanilla, and people still came to the game and played it. The grind made you unique, since you had those things that others didnt have. Feeling elite or unique in your own niche is a good thing!

3. Raids and Dungeons
Well I cant say that GC is responsible for Heroics being easy as shit nowadays and the LFR being a social desaster. But since he is the lead designer, he could have at least try to change the direction in the past years. Did he do so? probably not. I guess they will not remove LFR, neither make the heroics harder again. The point of no return is reached in my opinion. They should make vanilla/tbc servers after WoD (probably last expansion with lvl100), so that veterans can at least play the game they liked and dont bother playing on private vanilla/TBC servers.

Maybe Tigole can change direction, but I dont think he will come back since he is the Lead on Titan. The game is too fcked up in my opinion to change anything.

I actually made an account just to point out the level of fail in your post... Titan has been scrapped, and it has been scrapped for a while. You are obviously severely misinformed and most of your post highlights that very well. I have no real feelings about GC leaving because he's just one man on a team of developers. He was the Wow Forum's face of Blizzard for a long time, and it caused him to get blamed for pretty much everything that people hate.

Now, if he goes to another game, and all of a sudden that game starts loosing subscribers or gets "worse" we could talk about how he was the reason that wow has "diminished". Untill that point, I wish the man luck in all his endevors

[Neldarie]

Finally, game might get better again afterall.

[Akka]

I actually made an account just to point out the level of fail in your post... Titan has been scrapped, and it has been scrapped for a while.

Titan has been restarted, not scrapped. Trying to correct a fail and failing... You could have spared yourself the bother to make an account.

[Deleted]

I actually made an account just to point out the level of fail in your post... Titan has been scrapped, and it has been scrapped for a while. You are obviously severely misinformed and most of your post highlights that very well. I have no real feelings about GC leaving because he's just one man on a team of developers. He was the Wow Forum's face of Blizzard for a long time, and it caused him to get blamed for pretty much everything that people hate.

Now, if he goes to another game, and all of a sudden that game starts loosing subscribers or gets "worse" we could talk about how he was the reason that wow has "diminished". Untill that point, I wish the man luck in all his endevors

Titan isnt fully scrapped, they scrapped the current state of that game, to point out how misinformed you are. There are still 30 developers working on the game, and remember: WoW has been rebooted the same way before release. The core titan team is still working on it, or have you seen Tigole on some other project yet? Well I'm not.

[Nibúeanor]

2. Quests
Since I clearly remember GC talking about daily quests and their limit back in Wotlk (25 a day), I really thought this was a bad decision again. Why? Well, why limitate quests, why not grind yourself to the top? Sure grind is boring, but remember: Almost everything was a grind in vanilla, and people still came to the game and played it. The grind made you unique, since you had those things that others didnt have. Feeling elite or unique in your own niche is a good thing!

Don't want to shatter your illusion but the limit was there since the daily quests were introduced back in TBC. There just weren't many of them at the start so you might not noticed it. But it was there. And it was 10 dalies limit even.

More to the point grind might be fun to a certain degree and for certain people, but that hardly made you unique. That just showed you had shitloads of time to spend in the game. Nothing more, nothing less. And the grind side of vanilla/TBC was true pain in the arse which I personally am glad we don't have to deal with these days (they brought it partially back at 5.0 with rep grind and all hell broke loose). Farm for flasks and pots because you had to use both for each boss wipe. Farm shitloads of essences from elementals that were camped 24/7 and half was banished by warlocks for giggle. Farm lotuses for flasks (like 5 of them total per whole vanilla lol). Just to recall those things... *shiver*

[GoldNSilence]

Best WoW news of the week.

"PPS: I play a Holy Priest"

Yeah, as an alt for your mage.

[Deleted]

Don't want to shatter your illusion but the limit was there since the daily quests were introduced back in TBC. There just weren't many of them at the start so you might not noticed it. But it was there. And it was 10 dalies limit even.

More to the point grind might be fun to a certain degree and for certain people, but that hardly made you unique. That just showed you had shitloads of time to spend in the game. Nothing more, nothing less. And the grind side of vanilla/TBC was true pain in the arse which I personally am glad we don't have to deal with these days (they brought it partially back at 5.0 with rep grind and all hell broke loose). Farm for flasks and pots because you had to use both for each boss wipe. Farm shitloads of essences from elementals that were camped 24/7 and half was banished by warlocks for giggle. Farm lotuses for flasks (like 5 of them total per whole vanilla lol). Just to recall those things... *shiver*

I agree. But thats the ultimate question:

Is it better that people spend time in the game, even If it is a unholy grind. Or is the current state (total opposite) better for the game?

I'd go with the first.

[Hovsa]

I now have hope for the next Expansion