[Holy] WoD Alpha/Beta Info & Discussion

[Golden]

Anyone know why Judgement hardly scales at all now? If I increase my ilvl by 4%, all my other ability increase in power ~25%, but Judgement only increases by ~5%. It's basically becoming a dead button for holy. Furthermore, why keep Selfless Healer like it is for holy?

Granted, I'm probably one of the few holy paladins that solos as holy.

[Clrg]

Solo paladin is dead after they removed sotr, consecration, exo and nerfed the damage of the seals for holy.

[Arrowset]

What do you guys think about the Glyph of Merciful Wrath for holy in WoD?

Glyph of Merciful Wrath - Holy
Reduces the cooldown and effect of Avenging Wrath by 50%.

http://wod.wowhead.com/spell=162604

It seems pretty attractive to me to have a healing burst cooldown on a 90 second cd, even at reduced effect. Especially if you take the sanctified wrath talent, since that would allow us long periods of time when we have a 3 sec cd holy shock (correct me if I'm wrong on that). We can use all the instants we can get in WoD.

[Smag]

Just got from Darmac, logs:http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/...vHp62/#fight=9

Was using EF+HA. Tier was popping up left and right, had so many buttons lit up I thought I was playing a fury warrior or some shit.
DiscPriests are broken, again....

[Floopa]

don't post a log if it's a snap shot from a fight where all you're doing is spamming AoE heals for 2~ minutes. if it's an attempt to say "holy paladins are weak" how about you psot the 2-3 minute log where only rend and tear is dealing raid damage?

lol

[Deleted]

don't post a log if it's a snap shot from a fight where all you're doing is spamming AoE heals for 2~ minutes. if it's an attempt to say "holy paladins are weak" how about you psot the 2-3 minute log where only rend and tear is dealing raid damage?

lol

Its a 6mins 37 log?

[Floopa]

oops! wrong log. my bad.

disc seems strong then, yes.

[Diggy]

Can anyone post logs with SS instead of EF for comparison?

[Deleted]

Not going to post logs but from my experience SS>EF still with the set bonuses. The set bonuses also seemed super weak despite what people have been saying the last couple of pages.

[Rorschachs]

Not going to post logs but from my experience SS>EF still with the set bonuses. The set bonuses also seemed super weak despite what people have been saying the last couple of pages.

EF is obviously healing less than EF, the question is are you factoring in the healing it proves with two beacons and mastery or not?

[Diggy]

EF is obviously healing less than EF, the question is are you factoring in the healing it proves with two beacons and mastery or not?

Yes it is being factored. By playing around with healing dummies, HPS produced by EF "rotation" with double beacon tends to be around 5-8% lower than sacred shield. Sacred Shield is also an instant.

Edit: no idea how it interacts with 4set. Could be significant.

[Smag]

...healing dummies...

All well and good, but any raid test numbers?

[Deleted]

Not going to post logs but from my experience SS>EF still with the set bonuses. The set bonuses also seemed super weak despite what people have been saying the last couple of pages.

You're probably not playing it right because the difference is significant in favor of EF(with 4p and DP).

[Deleted]

You're probably not playing it right because the difference is significant in favor of EF(with 4p and DP).

Unless you were doing 50k hps on 6min+ pulls on beastlord I disagree. Honestly I didnt test EF for too many pulls and so I could be wrong (and iron maidens was a mess so could not test there) but I looked at atleast 20 logs of other guilds and 95% of the holy paladins were using EF, all doing significantly less healing than what I did with SS.

[Deleted]

Unless you were doing 50k hps on 6min+ pulls on beastlord I disagree. Honestly I didnt test EF for too many pulls and so I could be wrong (and iron maidens was a mess so could not test there) but I looked at atleast 20 logs of other guilds and 95% of the holy paladins were using EF, all doing significantly less healing than what I did with SS.

Can't say I did but tbh I think your numbers are inflated because of baddies(and not having tanks abusing retarded set bonuses ).

[MCC]

Prediction: these set bonuses are going to get nerfed. Hard.

By the way, these bonuses highlight the difference between melee and no-melee very well. That is not a good thing.

[xiloclipse]

Somewhat OT, somewhat not in the big scheme of class balancing gone wrong, but I saw this tweet, and really got a kick out of it. Not sure if this is an underhanded jab that flew under the radar, or just a bit of harmless office fun.
https://twitter.com/Vigilate_MW/stat...33733400821760
http://wod.wowhead.com/item=120329

I'd be curious to hear the backstory on this one though...

[Zambal]

Prediction: these set bonuses are going to get nerfed. Hard.

By the way, these bonuses highlight the difference between melee and no-melee very well. That is not a good thing.

https://twitter.com/Celestalon/statu...43125418582016

So yes setbonus balance inc.. ^^

[Xs]

https://twitter.com/Celestalon/statu...43125418582016

So yes setbonus balance inc.. ^^

Yay, I bet we'll get something awesome like, increases the mana return of your Tower of Radiance by 5%.

[mcbubble]

Yay, I bet we'll get something awesome like, increases the mana return of your Tower of Radiance by 5%.

I laughed - good one!

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