Anders Brevik is suing over the conditions of his already-luxurious prison cell

[Seranthor]

Yeah, it's not like the Nordics have significantly lower violent crime rates, lower relapse into crime rates and a much much smaller portion of their populace incarcerated. It's too bad not everyone takes after the wildly succesful US prison system which doesn't breed criminality at all.

I am sure he's not a danger to anyone, so maybe you should take him home with you.. I'd be okay with that.

[Deleted]

You never know, mass killers in sweden is getting released, like Mattias Flink killed 7 people and is now a free man after 20 years. Now Breivik killed alot more people but they could do the same thing there.

Sweden=!Norway. It's highly unlikely Breivik will ever see freedom again.

[breadisfunny]

prison is a place for punishment. not a place to vacation.

[Deleted]

Why is he still alive?

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[Deleted]

I have read enough about this.

24/7 Isolation with no contact to other people ever is against human rights. No matter what you did, you are still a human being with rights.

And he has the right to sue.

I disagree. While, for people that are expected to be released from prison at one point, rehabilitation is more important than punishment, once you're expected to be there for life for actions such as the one Brevik did the rehabilitation aspect disappears.

So, since these people have proven that they can't be and won't be rehabilitated, there is one question left. What purpose do they still serve? To society? To anyone really?
Well, normally I'd wager that they're kept alive due to the fact that there could still be charged wrongly. And that is ok. However, this guy was not charged wrongly, he was seen on cameras, he admitted to doing it, ample evidence was found.

So, there is no doubt that he's a mass murderer and that rehabilitation is out of the question.

Now, from my point of view, now we come to another thing, what makes us humans better than animals? Why, it's free thought and the ability to tell right from wrong! But certain elements of society, like mass murderers, can't tell right from wrong. And while you could say that they still have free thought, they still acted against the law, killing other human beings, knowing that what they did was wrong. When a tiger meets someone in a jungle and kills them, it can't understand if what he did is wrong, it only does it based on instinct, if it's hungry or feels his territory is threatened, he will kill you, if not, no.

So, from this point of view, I could consider that tiger better than mass murderers. Why? Well, because mass murderers kill knowing the full consequences of their actions, knowing that what they do is wrong, not because they can't control themselves, but on the contrary.

And what do we do with animals? Well, we cage them, we kill them. And since I have reached the conclusion that animals are above mass murderers... why would mass murderers deserve rights above animals?

And usually I know that someone comes with the same argument "but it's a human being!" so let's do it another way. You're in a room with an endangered siberian tiger and Adolf Hitler. You know you will be saved after a period of time, but if you, Hitler and the tiger don't eat before that, you will all die. You have the choice, kill the endangered siberian tiger and eat it with Hitler or kill Hitler and eat him with the tiger. Would you put any importance to Hitler's "human" rights? Because if you say no, and would kill him, you've already proven that you don't mind killing mass murderers, the question is only how much crime must they have done to deserve death. And if you say that you'd kill the tiger, it means that you'd rather save a mass murderer rather than an animal that had done nothing wrong and is facing extinction, otherwise said, you'd save a criminal rather than the patrimony of our planet.

[Moadar]

Ye. Which is why its so obvious its just torture. I would assume the same about norwegian ones. But how much entertainment is allowed would atleast make it a bit more bearable.

Even if its breivik, i'm not comfortable with the justice/government system being allowed to torture anybody.

So when they put him in with others for social interaction and someone laces his ass then what will you say?

Keep them in PC= Torture

Put them with others and they get assaulted = Torture

Can't win either way, so just leave his ass in solitary its less paper work.

[Deleted]

The people in the court should ask him about the human rights of the 77 people he murdered in cold blood. Would like to see the weasel try to squirm his way around that one.

Something to ponder. Does someone who butchers 77 people in the name of some batshit crazy nazi creed ... qualify as human? Maybe not! Therefore, no rights. Sorry Anders.

[BuckSparkles]

Why is he still alive?

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Because vicious murderers have feelings too. That is more important than all the families and friends of the murdered folks.

[Deleted]

Yeah, it's not like the Nordics have significantly lower violent crime rates, lower relapse into crime rates and a much much smaller portion of their populace incarcerated. It's too bad not everyone takes after the wildly succesful US prison system which doesn't breed criminality at all.

I am swedish, fyi. But i still feel that we're too soft on some prisoners. I read today that two men got deported after raping a 12 year old immigrant boy. Why is it that no immigrants that rape women get deported? We'll never find out.

[Deleted]

Oh, theres a lot of people who wants to talk to him. He has quite the "little" fan club out there.

I think a lot of people have a (morbid) curiosity in regards to what drives murderers. There's a lot of series on TV trying to give insights into the minds of killers for example. I can imagine that picking Anders's brain would also be very interesting to a lot of people.

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Because vicious murderers have feelings too. That is more important than all the families and friends of the murdered folks.

Tis a pity it is seen that way.

[JohnBrown1917]

Prison isn't supposed to be comfortable. It's supposed to be punishment.

Its supposed to keep people away from society because they are dangerous, not torture them.

[BuckSparkles]

Its supposed to keep people away from society because they are dangerous, not torture them.

Yes yes...we get it. The mass-murderer has feelings too.

[Combatbutler]

Prison isn't supposed to be comfortable. It's supposed to be punishment.

Not necessarily, prison is often meant as rehabilitation, though Breivik is a 100% lost cause, but if they change the system for him he has won.

[Moadar]

I think a lot of people have a (morbid) curiosity in regards to what drives murderers. There's a lot of series on TV trying to give insights into the minds of killers for example. I can imagine that picking Anders's brain would also be very interesting to a lot of people.

I read he was a guild leader in WoW. A lot of his guild mates supposedly still support him on some level.

[BuckSparkles]

Not necessarily, prison is often meant as rehabilitation.

Maybe over there.

Here it is a "You fcked up. Now pay the price of your wrong doings."

[breadisfunny]

Maybe over there.

Here it is a "You fcked up. Now pay the price of your wrong doings."

here i agree with you bucksparkles.

[Combatbutler]

Maybe over there.

Here it is a "You fcked up. Now pay the price of your wrong doings."

Both have merits, one is for revenge the other for atonement.

[JohnBrown1917]

fine, maybe it is, but by that logic then surely even detainment in prison in the first place is torture, and we're not proposing the abolition of the justice system entirely are we?

By that logic it is not torture.
If you want to know the difference, try going into an isolation for 1 week. Just 1 week, I think you'll understand it better then.

[Deleted]

Because vicious murderers have feelings too. That is more important than all the families and friends of the murdered folks.

Totally. Society immigration hurts his feelings so he goes out and murders people. Then the victim's families feelings are hurt by that, so we murder him. But then maybe his family / followers feelings get hurt, so we should probably murder someone else. And who's that going to upset? Let's just cut the middle man and murder EVERYONE because killing people is GREAT!

After all, if killing other humans wasn't so fantastic, we'd never have discovered it all those millions of years ago when we were living in caves. And hey, if people are going back to shit like paleo diets and rejecting modern medicine like vaccinations, then we may as well just go back to slaughtering each other over anything and everything. We're already basically half way there in some countries, stoning people for this and that and pushing the gays off hotel roofs so IN FOR A PENNY, IN FOR A POUND, right fellow humans?!

Jesus fucking christ...

Bunch of animals, seriously.