UK: From April people will be deported for earning less than £35,000

[Deleted]

A different view on this, but I see this as a great measure to preserve the minimum wage of citizens against the pressure of foreign competition and the aggressive hiring practices of corporations in particular on certain fields like IT.

Minimum wages are threatened by increasingly high executive pay at the top of the industrial hierarchy, which hasn't been accompanied by any increase in productivity. That's why workers are paid poorly. Foreign workers are a tangential issue by comparison-though I'm sure conservatives around the world would love you to blame foreigners and not the overpaid executives at the top.

Even if we had zero immigration, workers pay would still be threatened by automation. I don't see Syrians or Poles replacing British people working in banks and supermarkets, I see rows of machines.

[draganid]

Booting people out who are a drain on society?

Fuckkk yeeaaaaaaaa it's a good idea!

do the math dude, 35k pounds is 50k in american, 65k canadian etc. thats well above and beyond what someone needs to make to not be a drain on society

[Svisalith]

When your threshold is high enough to boot out people who are actually employed full-time in career positions, you've dun goofed.

This is the problem. It hits critically important professions like teaching that simply don't pay enough to meet the theshold, which is already sad.

[Deleted]

Executives at the top will continue to be overpaid as long as shareholders continue to require ludicrous returns, agree to pay the cost of agency and require 70-80 hour weeks from said executives. I'd be more interested in executive remuneration packages allowing for ludicrous amounts of tax avoidance tbh. Meanwhile many skilled workers are displaced in western markets for cheaper skilled labor from eastern markets.
You fail to make any connection between executive pay and the pay of skilled workers btw. You don't actually make any argument at all so I don't have something to counter there

Learn to google things.

[Deleted]

Oh so your arguments in conversations are non-specific ideas in the cloud. Yeah, I don't see why anyone should bother having a conversation with you then.

A conversation would imply a mutual exchange of information. I don't believe you would be capable of reciprocrating. I'm not going to give you a lecture and you would resent it if I did.

[Deleted]

Booting people out who are a drain on society?

Fuckkk yeeaaaaaaaa it's a good idea!

"A drain on society"?
How do you make that? I earn way less than that and I am completely selfsufficient. By that I mean I don't need any kind of charity. I do need people to sell me stuff though.
This agenda is fueled by racism you just don't want to see that. Even the "bad" guys think they are doing "gods work" most of the time.

[Deleted]

This is another consequence of EU membership. Because there are around 500 million people who we can't kick out we end up kicking out those that we can, even though they may be more valuable.

[Deleted]

The average salary in the UK is £26,500. Aka this is stupid.

[phillys]

personally, I'm more worried by immigrants who come into a country (especially mine), secure employment which grants them power over people and enables them to inflict their ideologies and racism onto the local populace. Not to mention, when it comes to competition in the labour force, it means there is more competition up top, which puts the employers in the market where they can more freely pick and choose who they want to hire, which means the requirements to secure employment rise all across society, and next thing you know, for low-skilled or no-skill required jobs, they prefer people with tertiary entrance and qualifications which have nothing to do with the job just because they can, which then makes entry into the job market more difficult for school leavers and those trying to return to the workforce.

[lockedout]

Booting people out who are a drain on society?

Fuckkk yeeaaaaaaaa it's a good idea!

We need to drink a beer sometime.

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do the math dude, 35k pounds is 50k in american, 65k canadian etc. thats well above and beyond what someone needs to make to not be a drain on society

Not really since it's all relative.

[Deleted]

I don't know about families with dependants; but for single men over 25 it's £2820. Factor in Council tax deductions and you're looking at just shy of £7k a year, JSA, housing + CTD.

Like I say, it can go up a lot when you have children though.

It might be more in RoI though which is where Beerwolf is from I think?

Housing goes straight into landlords pockets and council tax is inflated over real costs.
If you have more than a few thousand in savings you don't get anything so the above traps plebs in a poverty cycle.

I dont work for the UK government in healthcare. Im saying they vastly underpay their doctors and nurses because they cant afford to which drives them to other countries where they can actually be paid what they are worth

They also benefit from a protectionist system and receive training which costs a ridiculous amount.

More precisely, you'd only be a leech if your Tax expenditure was lower than the overall Tax spent on you. That basically makes anyone who gets ill or seriously injured a leech, or anyone who's disabled, or if you work in the public sector - including as a politician.

What happens when people are forced to use expensive services because laws have forced it on them or denied the ability to take care of themselves?

[nightfalls]

Do you guys think this is a good idea?

I can't speak to "good idea" since I don't know how necessary it is, but it's a horrible outcome, and the fact that it even is being discussed is a horrible outcome.

It looks like the "utopian, European, 'democratic socialist' governments" are now realizing what happens when they are run out of other people's money to spend.

[Astronom]

I'm pretty sure this is an April Fool's joke, if nobody has pointed that out already.

[xenogear3]

Why non-EU migrants?

Kill everyone who makes less than 35k !

[AeneasBK]

Housing goes straight into landlords pockets and council tax is inflated over real costs.
If you have more than a few thousand in savings you don't get anything so the above traps plebs in a poverty cycle.

I worked for a conference centre as a teenager that as mostly used by my local council and they had some amazing spreads of food laid out for them for afternoon meetings, grapes, french cheese, different types of bread and cured meats...

"Oh but you have to pay us £1200 a year to pay for the roads and schools..."

And the housing I think I touched on elsewhere in the thread.

[TrumpIsPresident]

We need to drink a beer sometime.

Better do it quick before beer gets banned for being offensive to certain people.

[Deleted]

Housing goes straight into landlords pockets and council tax is inflated over real costs.
If you have more than a few thousand in savings you don't get anything so the above traps plebs in a poverty cycle.

Unless you are on the broken Universal Credit, in which case you get everything from DWP & Housing etc in one lump per month & have to pay out to whomever yourself.
Good for those that can count/pay what they owe etc, bad for the masses that don`t.

Side note, the one improvement over this, is that now when there is any sort of over/under payment, that person gets to deal with it.
If not on UC & there is an overpayment, the landlord still gets the extra, but it is the person that is forced to pay it back regardless.

[ls-]

Wasn't it a bit difficult to make >£35k/year in UK even for high-skilled professionals in certain fields, your programmers' salaries were quite pathetic as far as I remember. Correct me, if I'm wrong, cuz I might be.

[Adarian]

It's in the article.

no one reads the article, you should know this by now.

[Kaleredar]

If the United States did this people from other countries would be throwing a fit about it.

The United States has absolutely zero reason to do such a thing. Illegal immigrants are barely a problem in the US; No one gives two damns about the legal ones.

As for England, this just seems like an indirect and fairly-passive aggressive way to kick out refugee-status immigrants that will likely and inadvertently push a lot of other people from around the world out with them.