Trump Says Abortion Ban Should Carry Punishment for Women

[Underverse]

Except I didn't say that.

I said his decision to support the enforcement of that hypothetical law is, in and of itself, an anti-abortion statement.

And no, taking issue with the framing of a question is not "dodging" it. Come on. If he were asked the question and went "hey, what about Mexicans?", That is "dodging".

Where does he support the enforcement of the hypothetical premise? It seems to me like he's trying to avoid saying it while taking a more typically conservative stance on abortion. But he doesn't explicitly support banning abortion. The closest he gets is "I would say it’s a very serious problem and it’s a problem we have to decide on" and "I am pro-life". Everything after that is hypothetical.

[Endus]

Upholding laws you disagree with is not an abdication of authority. Otherwise half of the troopers out there wouldn't do anything if people smoked weed in the street all day long unless they wanted to "abdicate their authority".

Do I really have to point out that cops have discretion on stuff like that? And that the President has similar levels of discretion?

It is dodging it because you are not answer it. That is the definition of dodging a question - refusing to answer it and trying to change the subject.

It's only "dodging" if you're ignoring half my response for no good reason. You're attacking a straw man.

[unfilteredJW]

Pro-life is a silly term. Very little care is given to those that are born from those that demand it.

[Endus]

So now you are telling people what label they can and cannot use?

I'm telling you, and others, that the labels have recognized definitions and meaning. You can go ahead and use it incorrectly; I'm not going to stop you. But I AM gonna point out that you're using it incorrectly.

[MagicMert]

Whilst I absolutely do not agree with trumps views and ideas on anything including this in fairness all he has said is that if he were to make abortion illegal he would punish people breaking that law. Many don't agree with many laws but we cant go around breaking them without expecting consequence, Marijuana for example is still illegal and people still go to prison for growing selling or consuming it despite the fact many find it to be an outdated law being keep around on stereotypes. Again I am totally anti trump and should he get elected I think America would fall apart within 2 years I by no way agree with anything he says and this abortion thing is kind of disgusting imo but don't get upset becasue he said he is going to punish people who break the law get upset about this fucking bat shit insane law instead.

[jakeic]

That's some serious mental gymnastics you have to go through to pin this on him over a hypothetical question. But, you are correct that he should have just said something like, "Anderson we have enough real problems in the world to not bother spending time on made up issues."

I'm not seeing the gymnastics, it seems pretty straightforward.

[Underverse]

Then you're pro-choice and don't know it.

"Pro-choice" isn't "pro-abortion". It's support of women having the option. You can think abortion is sickening and distasteful; if you don't oppose it being an option, you're pro-choice.

I think there's value in taking the philosophical stance of pro-life while maintaining that the government should not be involved in regulating abortions. The statement of 'pro-life' is simply a statement of value, not necessarily of outcome. It's the classic dichotomy between moral value of an act and moral value of enforcement by law; you can disagree on a moral level with the act - saying that women should not morally have the choice - but acknowledge that the costs of enforcement are too high to justify legislation.

[Sunseeker]

He's not wrong. If you're going to make something a crime it needs a punishment.

But man Trump can dance. Woo!

[Alvito]

Excellent. The people that hate him will have more fuel for the fire. The ones that like him will have another reason to think he is a moral and wonderful person

[kail]

If porn were banned, then people who watch it should be punished.

If video games were banned, then gamers should be punished.

[Bakis]

I'm in favor of it as long as not making an abortion can be punished in hindsight for example Trump's mother.

[Pangean]

you are completely wrong many people (myself included) are pro life but don't want to ban abortions.

That's part of the pro-choice position. For you it's completely wrong but you leave that choice to the woman. Pro-life groups would outlaw abortions for all. Is this really a mystery for people?

[stabetha]

Then you're pro-choice and don't know it.

"Pro-choice" isn't "pro-abortion". It's support of women having the option. You can think abortion is sickening and distasteful; if you don't oppose it being an option, you're pro-choice.

why because endus said so?

[Stop Pretending]

This is simply not factually true.

Pro-life positions are fundamentally about banning abortions for everyone else. That's the entire pro-life movement, in a nutshell. If you think that abortions are a terrible, horrible option, but you don't want to ban/restrict women from choosing it, congrats, you're pro-choice.

You're a fucking idiot.

Infracted for Flaming

[Endus]

why because endus said so?

No, because that's what the term means.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pro-life
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dict...glish/pro-life
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...-life_movement

[Pangean]

You're a fucking idiot.

That's a reasoned retort to the argument.

[jakeic]

You're a fucking idiot.

Bold strategy cotton, let's see if it pays off.

I'm confused as to what pro-life is about if not the absolute banning of abortions.

[stabetha]

That's part of the pro-choice position. For you it's completely wrong but you leave that choice to the woman. Pro-life groups would outlaw abortions for all. Is this really a mystery for people?

Some pro life groups do, others simply want more emphasis on educating pregnent woman on other option besides abortion. Just like some pro choice groups want all abortions legal no matter the trimester and with absolutely no oversight and some don't

[Hraklea]

I agree that doing something against the law should be punished. I don't agree that abortions should be against the law.

[jakeic]

Some pro life groups do others simply want more emphasis on educating pregnent woman on other option besides abortion. Just like some pro choice groups want all abortions legal no matter the trimester and with absolutely no oversight and some don't

So some pro-life groups are pro-choice?