Extreme Nationalism more dangerous than Radical Islam?

[morpen]

So today a relatively big Danish politician, Zenia Stampe, came out and said that Extreme Nationalists and Right wing ''fascists'' are more dangerous to Europe and the west than Radical Imams and Islam.
I have heard this said several times by left leaning politicians and other people left of the center, but I have a really hard time wrapping my head around the logic behind this. I get that these people can be violent and have a, lets say, negative attitude towards Immigrants and other foreigners.
But I really don't see how people who feel so strongly for their countries that they are willing to commit violence to protect them from a fairly obvious threat, can be more dangerous than people who have openly admitted to wanting to see the West fall and death to the ''infidels''.

What do you guys think? Are Right Wing nationalists actually a greater threat to the west than Radical Islamists or is it just the left blowing people disagreeing with them out of proportion?

here is the article if anyone is interested. But its in Danish
http://jyllands-posten.dk/politik/EC...erdiordfoerer/

[Dug]

Both extremes are bad.

[Damajin]

Wow, what a cheerful and inspiring face she has.

She's completely wrong, as in so staggeringly wrong it's better to just outright say she's wrong than attempt to refute her points which truly have no point. Ignore the notions of people like her at all costs.

[Theodarzna]

So today a relatively big Danish politician, Zenia Stampe, came out and said that Extreme Nationalists and Right wing ''fascists'' are more dangerous to Europe and the west than Radical Imams and Islam.
I have heard this said several times by left leaning politicians and other people left of the center, but I have a really hard time wrapping my head around the logic behind this. I get that these people can be violent and have a, lets say, negative attitude towards Immigrants and other foreigners.
But I really don't see how people who feel so strongly for their countries that they are willing to commit violence to protect them from a fairly obvious threat, can be more dangerous than people who have openly admitted to wanting to see the West fall and death to the ''infidels''.

What do you guys think? Are Right Wing nationalists actually a greater threat to the west than Radical Islamists or is it just the left blowing people disagreeing with them out of proportion?

here is the article if anyone is interested. But its in Danish
http://jyllands-posten.dk/politik/EC...erdiordfoerer/

Every politican since the second world war has long for the time when they could fight Hitler. Things were so much simpler then.

[hydrium]

What we are seeing is a rising up against the progressive narrative that if you want to say, watch and do what you want you are somehow evil. This is a cultural uprising and that has been years in the making and we are a product of the progressive/SJW narrative.

Of course nothing is more dangerous than islam, these people will behead you and blow you up without a second thought.

[Deleted]

Wanting to preserve your country, heritage and have the best for your people is dangerous? I think Miss Stampe should move to a poorer suburb in Sweden so she can experience rampant liberalism and uncontrolled immigration. Somewhere like Götaland.. or Malmö so she can be culturally 'enriched'.

It's always the wealthy middle-upper class whites in their gated neighbourhoods and positions of power, especially in the EU that are telling the working class they're 'evil' for wanting to perserve their culture and identity. Brow-beating the working class and trying to force masses of third world immigrants down their throat with vastly different morals, ethics and beliefs.. leads to the far right rising. Politicans like Miss Stampe are the problem and they're so oblivious to it, it's almost comical.

There's no sense in trying to talk sense to the regressive left, Morpen. Let them be devoured and look to your own.

See the link for details. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-migrants.html

[Zelk]

Well who did more damage to Europe, the Nazis or Al-Qaeda?

[Deleted]

Well who did more damage to Europe, the Nazis or Al-Qaeda?

"If I talk about Nazi's we'll ignore the Jihadi elephant in the room with the AK47!"

Come on man.

[Zelk]

"If I talk about Nazi's we'll ignore the Jihadi elephant in the room with the AK47!"

Come on man.

Are they not the two obvious examples for each group?

[breadisfunny]

yes it certainly is as it leads to abhorrent abuses of power all in the name of blind fanatical patriotism. remember when the germans voted a charming young man into power on the promise of nationalism and restoring german pride along with some vague economic promises? remember when hitler said the same thing about the jews and communists in the 1930's ? those are the exact same scare tactics your employing now. today it might simply be wanting the refugees out. tomorrow it might be beefing up the military to defend against the islamic threat next it will invading them because they we need to end the threat now. gee this sure sounds familiar.......do you want to dress up some men in uniform pulling random muslims out of the street and imprisoning them while we're working ourselves into a nationalistic fervor here?

[Deleted]

1. From what you're saying (can't read article now), she's talking about extreme nationalists. So, Hitler and the nazis. Now, to take on to your argument, Hitler and the nazis acted against "threats" they identified without facts. So, essentially, they acted due to paranoia and the interest to secure resources. And millions of people died.

2. Now, obviously, the not every extreme nationalist is the likes of Hitler. Some might just kill a few others with a bomb or a gun. Which is why my opinion is that extreme nationalism is as dangerous as radical Islam. Both are just as dangerous for they produce the same effects in the end, deranged individuals thinking they are furthering their nation's/religion's goals by destroying things they see as threats.

[PC2]

If 99.9% of Muslims in Europe want to see themselves as Europeans first and take on modern Western values then I don't think there will be problems. But if you get 1 or 2% of them who would rather physically wreck Europe than assimilate, that's a growing time bomb. The sad part is that the lefties who start screaming "colonialism!" after an Islamist detonates a bomb are only helping to justify their actions.

[Deleted]

Are they not the two obvious examples for each group?

True enough but everytime someone brings up a solid point about the immigrants, current affairs in the EU, or points out something that isn't politically correct the knee-jerk reaction seems to be to say something about the nazi party as if that nullifys the criticism.

[nextormento]

I mean...
ISIS is extremist nationalism.

[Nathreim]

Extreme Nationalism is not more dangerous because we are familiar with the danger and wont let it gain that much power again. On the other hand the Far Left refuse to see the dangers of radical Islam allowing it to grow in power in their own back yard.

[Endus]

On the other hand the Far Left refuse to see the dangers of radical Islam allowing it to grow in power in their own back yard.

People like to make this accusation, but I've never seen anyone deny that fundamentalist Islamic terrorism exists. They simply deny that it is integral to Islam itself, and that there's no grounds for treating anyone as being a member of such an ideological group unless you have hard evidence to support that, and "they're Muslim" isn't evidence of anything of the sort.

Want to point to a particular refugee and say "look, that's guy's connected with ISIS, here's the evidence", I'll be entirely on your side on getting them out. When you're targeting innocents just for being Muslim, you're way past the line.

[Aeula]

People are just reacting to the very real threat Islam presents on both a physical and cultural level. They'll never fully integrate with the west and will always be a threat to us.

Eventually something will have to be done and frankly I can't blame nationalists, they just want to protect themselves from a people we're not allowed to criticise.

[Shibito]

Nah it isnt nationalism wont ever rise unless u screw over your own country royally.

[Deleted]

Wanting to control immigration and only take in the people you want to take in is not 'Extreme Nationalism'.

It's called immigration policy.

[Deleted]

a) both are bad, and both are the sort of thing that would make me leave the country

b) it's not Islam or Christianity itself that is the problem - it's just religion; when people have magical/divine beliefs that supercede mortal considerations, you can't be surprised when they follow those instead of a country's laws or rules, courts and prisons can't compete with eternal damnation or heaven for the immortal soul