Tom Friedman, 2 state solution in Israel is dead

[Independent voter]

No there wont be - Because you see, Literally every other nation upon this earth - thinks Israel is presently engaged in an illegal land grab with its settlers.

That would be an interesting diplomatic kung-fu. What would happen if the Palestinians declared peace and offered to join and work with Israel under a one state solution? Over time they would earn Israeli trust, get the right to vote, etc. They'd have the right to work and earn money immediately.

Palestinians have a lot more kids than Jews, except for the orthodox.

[ati87]

The two state solution was never an option. The region will only know peace once Israel's settlers fully assimilate the west bank into greater Israel. The Gaza strip issue is more tricky to solve since Israel has ruined their chance of annexation through settlement.

Is this a bad form of sarcasm?

If you think the stabbings by random Palestinians are bad now wait till you tell the Palestinians to go fuck themselves like what your suggesting and see how they will react.

[Macaquerie]

That would be an interesting diplomatic kung-fu. What would happen if the Palestinians declared peace and offered to join and work with Israel under a one state solution? Over time they would earn Israeli trust, get the right to vote, etc. They'd have the right to work and earn money immediately.

Palestinians have a lot more kids than Jews, except for the orthodox.

The Israelis will find a way to weasel out of it as long as there are fringe Palestinian groups preaching violence, and that there always will be.

[ati87]

That would be an interesting diplomatic kung-fu. What would happen if the Palestinians declared peace and offered to join and work with Israel under a one state solution? Over time they would earn Israeli trust, get the right to vote, etc. They'd have the right to work and earn money immediately.

Palestinians have a lot more kids than Jews, except for the orthodox.

https://www.google.nl/search?q=israe...east+jerusalem

your answer

[Tailswipe]

That would be an interesting diplomatic kung-fu. What would happen if the Palestinians declared peace and offered to join and work with Israel under a one state solution? Over time they would earn Israeli trust, get the right to vote, etc. They'd have the right to work and earn money immediately.

Palestinians have a lot more kids than Jews, except for the orthodox.

If I recall correctly most Arabs in east Jerusalem were offered Israeli citizenship after annexation and refused the offer so the scenario is unlikely.

Is this a bad form of sarcasm?

If you think the stabbings by random Palestinians are bad now wait till you tell the Palestinians to go fuck themselves like what your suggesting and see how they will react.

That policy has worked fine up to now, I wasn't actually suggesting a change in strategy.

[Deleted]

I am sure you have proof to back up your claim?
Seeing if this was true things would have been done by now.

Why would they?
A plurality of Americans the Palestinians are illegally occupying land (dont make me try to explain that one) and the EU is to afraid of being called anti-Semitic to do anything about it.

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Is this a bad form of sarcasm?

If you think the stabbings by random Palestinians are bad now wait till you tell the Palestinians to go fuck themselves like what your suggesting and see how they will react.

Well the far right settlers, they don't care.
That's not entirely true, They just think they deserve some lebensraum.

[Acidbaron]

That would be an interesting diplomatic kung-fu. What would happen if the Palestinians declared peace and offered to join and work with Israel under a one state solution? Over time they would earn Israeli trust, get the right to vote, etc. They'd have the right to work and earn money immediately.

Palestinians have a lot more kids than Jews, except for the orthodox.

Palestinians who moved out of Gaza into Israel are already forming their own political parties and advocating for a change from within, i said this a few times before it will be interesting to see if the current political parties in Israel will tolerate this, especially the extreme right that is gaining increasing power, i doubt such people would ever tolerate a Palestinian in elected office, i think the majority parties will always keep throwing more and more extreme right in the mix to stay in power and hold majority as was seen in 2015.

The party only holds a small number of seats currently, (looked it up 13 of the 120) but it is important to note that this party only just reformed for the recent elections and being the third largest party seat wise.

[Deleted]

Well it's a pretty easy problem to solve and it's clear with whom the burden lies.

The day that Palestinians lay down their arms and say they will not fight, there will be peace. The day Israelis lay down their arms and say they will not fight, every Jew in Israel will be killed.

Yes like in 2008 am I right?

[Deleted]

Why would they?
A plurality of Americans the Palestinians are illegally occupying land (dont make me try to explain that one) and the EU is to afraid of being called anti-Semitic to do anything about it.

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Well the far right settlers, they don't care.
That's not entirely true, They just think they deserve some lebensraum.

So you have no proof, you are spouting non sense and covering it up by giving it a nice edgy victim complex..
You really ticked all the boxes on that one.

[Deleted]

There is no doubt that with the government in power in Israel a 2 state solution is not an option since you know... it's been stated clearly there wont be a palestinian state.

[Deleted]

So you have no proof, you are spouting non sense and covering it up by giving it a nice edgy victim complex..
You really ticked all the boxes on that one.

Are you deluded?
Here is the US position:

An opinion by a legal adviser to the U.S. Department of State found the settlements contrary to international law in 1978, though no Administration has officially stated so since the Carter Administration. On April 21, 1978, Legal Adviser of the Department of State Herbert J. Hansel issued an opinion, on request from Congress, that creating the settlements "is inconsistent with international law", and against Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention.[45] Hansell found that "[w]hile Israel may undertake, in the occupied territories, actions necessary to meet its military needs and to provide for orderly government during the occupation, for the reasons indicated above the establishment of the civilian settlements in those territories is inconsistent with international law."[46][47] This opinion, "has neither been revoked or revised",[45] and remains the policy of the United States according to Hansel, The Washington Post, and the Rand Corporation's Palestinian State Study Project.[48] The Johnson, Nixon, Ford, and Carter administrations all publicly characterized the settlements as illegal

The current US position is, they are illegal.
All other positions, are either in agreement, or are more harshly put.
The settlements are illegal, because, every nation upon this earth thinks so.

[Tailswipe]

The current US position is, they are illegal.
All other positions, are either in agreement, or are more harshly put.
The settlements are illegal, because, every nation upon this earth thinks so.

On paper maybe. The last UN resolution to end settlements (supported by the EU) was vetoed by the USA which is the best indication of their actual position on the matter.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_...tlements,_2011

[Acidbaron]

So you have no proof, you are spouting non sense and covering it up by giving it a nice edgy victim complex..
You really ticked all the boxes on that one.

Majority of the members of the UN voted for recognizing a Palestinian state.

"As of 14 September 2015, 136 (70.5%) of the 193 member states of the United Nations have recognised the State of Palestine."

EU is a bit split however some countries like Germany basically bend over backwards saying that they'll blindly follow Israel, countries like mine urge Israel to respect the pre-1967 borders, which is want makes that land grab in fact illegal. You'll find that quite a few while not recognizing the state of palestine to be in favor of a two state solution and the illegal settlements are a major problem. However Israel benefits from keeping the status quo so i doubt they ever intended to wanting to make it work.

[ShadowofVashj]

Basically extremists on both sides (crazy ultraorthodox jews [who don't even serve in the army btw] vs. hamas) will prevent peace from ever occurring until one side completely annihilates the other. This is the status quo from the last 70 years and until any kind of honest breakthrough in political theory there this mess is just going to continue to degrade.

Pretty much the facts of the situation.

Edit: grammar.

[Notter]

I can't wait until arabs in Europe will start claiming pieces of land as their own, and call it occupied lands.
with the influx of imported arabs this is just an eventuality.


It's really funny how when the arabs in other nations blow up stuff, you think it's islamic terrorism. but when it happens in israel, it's because of the settlements and it's justified.

GoblinP, you have already proven you know nothing of the history of Israel in many threads, and that you are anti-israel.
i don't know why you care so much for the Palestinians, but just get this into your head:
"Palastinians" have been attacking jews even before israel existed. they attacked jews before the settlements existed. and they will keep attacking jews until forever.

you wanna stop the war in israel? you better first deal with Iran, who's behind hamas.
the palastinian people are brain washed to think israel are the enemy, just like the people in north korea think the rest of the world is.

[Deleted]

I can't wait until arabs in Europe will start claiming pieces of land as their own, and call it occupied lands.
with the influx of imported arabs this is just an eventuality.

Lol at dat analogy!!!

[Rennadrel]

Was it ever alive? I mean, did anyone ever honestly and truly think it was going to happen and work out?

I mean, they always used it as a stalling tactic, didn't they? Not sure what they hoped to achieve at the end, but they certainly stalled it a long time.

It could have, a decade or more ago. Israel got greedy, Hamas got arrogant, in the end both sides failed to come to a proper solution because they couldn't do it maturely. Both sides wanted more and also weren't willing to cede more to the other because it would make them both look weak to their people.

[Deleted]

Why are the Jews allowed to isolate themselves but Germany can't...

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God damn it grandpa was right

[Barnabas]

A one state solution isn't going to work either. Look how great everyone gets along in that area.

[Independent voter]

A one state solution isn't going to work either. Look how great everyone gets along in that area.

What do you think things will be like 20 years from now?