Is Druid the weakest class in lore?

[Deleted]

The weakest Class would be the fury Warrior, especially with Titan's Grip. Let's be honest, dual wield sounds and looks cool, but is pretty ineffective, even if you fight a more offensive style, a Shield would be the better choice for your weak hand. But dual wield with two-handed Weapons? That's stupid.

[TheCount]

The weakest Class would be the fury Warrior, especially with Titan's Grip. Let's be honest, dual wield sounds and looks cool, but is pretty ineffective, even if you fight a more offensive style, a Shield would be the better choice for your weak hand. But dual wield with two-handed Weapons? That's stupid.

A fury warrior would be a strong 1v1 fighter for like 5mins(Titans Grip), they need to quickly overwhelm their opponent before tiring out. Against all the other class/specs it would be hard to do. Could do well against WW monks and Ret pallies, specs that would want to engage in close combat.

[Wewlad]

By lore? Lore-wise, the warrior is the 'weakest' class, without a shadow of doubt. Because all they do is swing a weapon. Nothing more. They're the 'budget version' of the Paladin, who can swing a weapon and cast defensive/offensive spells.

Ranged classes like Hunters or Mages would make short work of the Warrior before it even got halfway close to them, and other melee classes like Monks and Rogues are too fast and hit precise spots to deal maximum damage or cripple their opponents.

I honestly cannot comprehend how one can say that the Warriors are the most powerful class, lore-wise.

I know comparing characters isn't what this thread is about, but Garrosh did defeat Taran Zhu, and they're both among the most powerful of their classes.

[Zulkhan]

I know comparing characters isn't what this thread is about, but Garrosh did defeat Taran Zhu, and they're both among the most powerful of their classes.

Except Garrosh didn't win with his warrior skills alone, he resorted to an improvised weapon (a freaking iron chain capable to close a gap in an instant and choke your opponent at the same time) and also had a high degree of luck when Taran Zhu remained stuck in the wood bridge.

If that was a Mak'gora where only one weapon was allowed and fought in a much proper ground, Garrosh would have likely lost.

[Deleted]

A fury warrior would be a strong 1v1 fighter for like 5mins(Titans Grip), they need to quickly overwhelm their opponent before tiring out. Against all the other class/specs it would be hard to do. Could do well against WW monks and Ret pallies, specs that would want to engage in close combat.

The fury Warrior with TG couldn't even attack succesfully, because the weapons would hinder each other and the movements of the Warrior. Why do you think fought most fighters who could succesfully dual wield with a long weapon in their main hand and a shorter weapon in their off hand?

[Demeter]

What is this? Jock VS Nerd type of drama? Whats scarier a moron running around with a giant axe or an orc bringing from a portal a giant demon spawn that you have no idea where the fuck he summoned it from. Ill stick to my nerdy Orc Warlock bro, lock since vanilla holla.

[UnluckyAmateur]

The fury Warrior with TG couldn't even attack succesfully, because the weapons would hinder each other and the movements of the Warrior. Why do you think fought most fighters who could succesfully dual wield with a long weapon in their main hand and a shorter weapon in their off hand?

You're trying to apply real life logic to a game with people able to leap several meters while wearing full plate armor.

[Leodok]

I think we all can agree that warrior is the most powerful class in the game by lore

That's just wrong. Lore-wise, rogues and monks are the only ones that ~may~ be weaker than warriors (which rogues easily compensate with the "hide in the shadows" thing).

I was thinking that is druid the weakest class in lore? Or Warlock. If we forget gameplay and just follow the lore they couldn't even cast a spell before a warrior would kill them.

A warlock would summon a demon that can solo the warlock. Easy win.
A druid would make roots appear in the ground and hold the warrior in place, then cast stuff from a distance. Or simply become a GIANT F#CKING BEAR and fight the warrior (though I believe the warrior could win that way, because armor>fur/fat/muscle and weapons>claws/teeth. But it would still be kind of hard).

"Oh, but the warlock wouldn't have time to summon a demon and the druid wouldn't have time to turn into bear form."
In a duel situation, they would do it before the fight begins. In a battlefield situation, they would do it before the fight begins. The warrior could only win if he had the element of surprise. If you want to count the element of surprise, then rogues>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mages (because Ice Block)>everyone else

If simple logic can't convince you, just remember people like Malfurion (best druid in Azeroth) can incapacitate a WHOLE ARMY with one spell. And legendary warriors like Grommash, Broxigar, Lothar, etc. can, at most, use Bladestorm and kill everyone who's nearby.
Just look at what Gul'dan did to Grom.

[Wewlad]

Except Garrosh didn't win with his warrior skills alone, he resorted to an improvised weapon (a freaking iron chain capable to close a gap in an instant and choke your opponent at the same time) and also had a high degree of luck when Taran Zhu remained stuck in the wood bridge.

If that was a Mak'gora where only one weapon was allowed and fought in a much proper ground, Garrosh would have likely lost.

That does imply Garrosh is better at thinking on his feet, and it was a rather amateur mistake of Taran Zhu to slam his foot into the bridge well after Garrosh moved back.

[Zulkhan]

That does imply Garrosh is better at thinking on his feet, and it was a rather amateur mistake of Taran Zhu to slam his foot into the bridge well after Garrosh moved back.

Within the boundaries of an honorable duel that would be called "cheating" without much nuances.

"One of the best warriors beat one of the best monks" no, an iron chain beat Taran Zhu.

[Wewlad]

Within the boundaries of an honorable duel that would be called "cheating" without much nuances.

"One of the best warriors beat one of the best monks" no, an iron chain beat Taran Zhu.

The chain isn't some sort of OP weapon(if you knew how fights actually go), Garrosh just knew how to use it at the right opportunity. Also, I guess Taran Zhu using his monk abilities isn't considered part of an "honorable duel". But that wasn't an honorable duel, just a short scrap unlike the formal Mak'gora in WoD.

[Scathan]

Within the boundaries of an honorable duel that would be called "cheating" without much nuances.

"One of the best warriors beat one of the best monks" no, an iron chain beat Taran Zhu.

This just sounds like salt, If two people were fighting to the death, there is no cheating, what's dishonorable about using a chain? Good combatants would be taught to use the environment to their advantage. Within bounds of an honorable duel, you would use what was at your disposal to win, besides outside influences

[Ielenia]

I know comparing characters isn't what this thread is about, but Garrosh did defeat Taran Zhu, and they're both among the most powerful of their classes.

As @Zulkhan pointed out, Taran Zhu got his foot stuck on a broken wooden board of the bridge, making him unable to dodge Garrosh's attack.

That does imply Garrosh is better at thinking on his feet, and it was a rather amateur mistake of Taran Zhu to slam his foot into the bridge well after Garrosh moved back.

It wasn't an amateur mistake. It was just shoddy wood used on that bridge. Besides, the wooden board wasn't Taran Zhu's target, it was Garrosh's face. Face it: the single reason Garrosh won that fight is because he got lucky. It wasn't skill or greater power that won him the day, it was pure luck.

[Zulkhan]

The chain isn't some sort of OP weapon(if you knew how fights actually go), Garrosh just knew how to use it at the right opportunity. Also, I guess Taran Zhu using his monk abilities isn't considered part of an "honorable duel". But that wasn't an honorable duel, just a short scrap unlike the formal Mak'gora in WoD.

It doesn't require much skill to throw a chain and choke a neck with it, pretty sure Garrosh never did any training with tools like that.

Taran Zhu's monk abilities are his own abilities, Garrosh used more than his own warrior skills, he exploited the environment at his advantage to gain an upper hand. Sorry, but Garrosh vs Taran Zhu isn't a good example at all to judge warriors and monks and decide who could be better.

This just sounds like salt, If two people were fighting to the death, there is no cheating, what's dishonorable about using a chain?

Strange, by Garrosh's own orcish traditions the Mak'gora is a duel to the death and one is only allowed to carry one weapon, not grab stuff around. Hell, you're not even allowed to pick your own weapon again once you lost it.

Why you ask? Because such duel is meant to test the strength and skill of the warrior, not how much tricky he is in exploiting every little advantage to win. Saying Garrosh beat Taran Zhu with his warrior skills and conclude warrior > monk is inherently dishonest.

[Wewlad]

As @Zulkhan pointed out, Taran Zhu got his foot stuck on a broken wooden board of the bridge, making him unable to dodge Garrosh's attack.


It wasn't an amateur mistake. It was just shoddy wood used on that bridge. Besides, the wooden board wasn't Taran Zhu's target, it was Garrosh's face. Face it: the single reason Garrosh won that fight is because he got lucky. It wasn't skill or greater power that won him the day, it was pure luck.

No. Taran Zhu was the amateur by leaping way too high because he tried to go anime mode, and Garrosh exploited his foolishness.

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It doesn't require much skill to throw a chain and choke a neck with it, pretty sure Garrosh never did any training with tools like that.

Taran Zhu's monk abilities are his own abilities, Garrosh used more than his own warrior skills, he exploited the environment at his advantage to gain an upper hand. Sorry, but Garrosh vs Taran Zhu isn't a good example at all to judge warriors and monks and decide who could be better.



Strange, by Garrosh's own orcish traditions the Mak'gora is a duel to the death and one is only allowed to carry one weapon, not grab stuff around. Hell, you're not even allowed to pick your own weapon again once you lost it.

Why you ask? Because such duel is meant to test the strength and skill of the warrior, not how much tricky he is in exploiting every little advantage to win. Saying Garrosh beat Taran Zhu with his warrior skills and conclude warrior > monk is inherently dishonest.

Have you thrown a chain at someone and choked their neck? Or even wrap the chain in a way that you can even acquire a grasp with it.

And that wasn't a Mak'gora. It was just a scrap. Mak'gora has to be declared and the terms agreed upon.

[Deleted]

It doesn't require much skill to throw a chain and choke a neck with it, pretty sure Garrosh never did any training with tools like that.

Taran Zhu's monk abilities are his own abilities, Garrosh used more than his own warrior skills, he exploited the environment at his advantage to gain an upper hand. Sorry, but Garrosh vs Taran Zhu isn't a good example at all to judge warriors and monks and decide who could be better.



Strange, by Garrosh's own orcish traditions the Mak'gora is a duel to the death and one is only allowed to carry one weapon, not grab stuff around. Hell, you're not even allowed to pick your own weapon again once you lost it.

Why you ask? Because such duel is meant to test the strength and skill of the warrior, not how much tricky he is in exploiting every little advantage to win. Saying Garrosh beat Taran Zhu with his warrior skills and conclude warrior > monk is inherently dishonest.

Only reason why Taran Zhu's foot got stuck because he underestimated Garrosh's speed and tried some idiotic airkick. And on topic of Garrosh using chain, improvising is what makes a good warrior. This wasnt a Mak'gora. This was a fight on a wooden bridge, and Taran Zhu failed to realise all the aspects of that. Just look at MoP cinematic trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvYXoyxLv64) they both improvise the hell out of weapons, and this alone is the reason why neither loses.

[TheCount]

Taran Zhu tried to match his aggression against Garrosh's. Bad move for any person let alone someone(monk) whose whole combat system is based on emotional control and patience.
Garrosh might have been a fool politically, but he was great at reading a battlefield or duel. He saw that Taran was making an all or nothing attack he evaded and countered. If Taran Zhu had been fighting like a monk he might have won

[Felfaadaern Darkterror]

I had Garrosh on the ropes in Nagrand until he cheated by using his "Switch to Cinematic for Epic Death" ability. How was that fair?

[UnluckyAmateur]

No. Taran Zhu was the amateur by leaping way too high because he tried to go anime mode, and Garrosh exploited his foolishness.

Just like how thrall was an amateur for wearing beads which allowed garrosh to get a few good hits in?

[Soikona]

Just like how thrall was an amateur for wearing beads which allowed garrosh to get a few good hits in?

Well he did fuck up his chance, a bad guy that lifts their enemy and throws him always loses its like Garrosh ain't seen an action film before!! He had him, and could and should have snapped his neck there and then.