Classic World of Warcraft Discussion [Megathread]

[ls-]

If there's any profit in keeping Vanilla/TBC/WotLK/etc realms up, blizz would definitely do so.

They did their maths many times, more times than any pro-Vanilla person on this forum ever did, but blizz answer is still no, cuz it's not worth it.

[zorkuus]

3) Didn't do it for free

They didn't. They had donations.

Soo... you're not fine with it then? Or am I going to hear excuses next?

[Eon Drache]

they didn't even make any money

goes to show Blizzard can't stand it that a lot of folks hate their current version of the game and would much rather play an old version even if it means getting no new content ever

They did. They opened for "Private donations" Where everyone gave their money to 1 person to "Donate" to the game. Those donations probably were due here soon but now magically won't be used. How much do you want to bet they simply shut down the server to bank those donations?

[beanman12345]

Even if just parts of it is there it's not the same game. What you said was that vanilla wow is in the battlechest, which is thus false.

My statement about property is not stupid. I pointed out we spent a shitload of money on a game that is not there to enjoy anymore. So much money we could've bought the intellectual property. Of course they didn't see their property. Of course I don't know how much they would've sold it for. So the "kinda" means we didn't buy it, but we could have done it.

Most people read out this from my statement. But you just called me stupid. Can you still say what's stupid when I've typed it all out for you?

Why do you read things literally and not put it in context with the rest of things I said? It's like you read an article, just quote every word that says "stupid" and those quotes bases your understanding and opinion of the whole article.

Most people read what you wrote, though wow that was stupid as fuck and moved on. I tried to fix that stupid as fuck, which many people agreed with me(not you.) Then I realized after 2 interaction i can't fix it. I know you want me to, but i'm not going to, i can't. But keep replying, i'm just gonna keep telling you how what you said was stupid as fuck, so if that's what you want. I'm not gonna stop you. Im sitting here bored watching tv anyways.

[MoanaLisa]

Dont get it twisted, if the Nostralius people had as good of lawyers as blizzard it would still be active. Blizzard is just able to bully people that are causing no harm to them because they are jealous and mad

If the Nostralius admins had lawyers as good as Blizzard, they wouldn't be able to afford to be up. They can barely afford it now and it's not exactly a given that they wouldn't have been forced to close soon anyway. Corporations, while legally people, don't get jealous and mad. They protect their interests.

[Armourboy]

They did. They opened for "Private donations" Where everyone gave their money to 1 person to "Donate" to the game. Those donations probably were due here soon but now magically won't be used. How much do you want to bet they simply shut down the server to bank those donations?

Considering the money had to go straight to the network guys and the guys running the show refused to touch it if someone did keep it it wasn't the guys that opened the original server.

[Charge me Doctor]

That's like saying: "Why did they shut down Napster, it's not like they were making money!" They were stealing no matter how you slice it. Good riddance.

I have a problem with this logic - stealing what, exactly?

[Sadistz]

If there's any profit in keeping Vanilla/TBC/WotLK/etc realms up, blizz would definitely do so.

They did their maths many times, more times than any pro-Vanilla person on this forum ever did, but blizz answer is still no, cuz it's not worth it.

What math? They refuse to even ask players if they want a vanilla server, and when it comes up, they say "you think you want it, but you dont". They have no clue how much interest a blizzard-run legacy server would generate.

[Razzako]

I have a problem with this logic - stealing what, exactly?

10 years old game that is no longer relevant.

[M1r4g3]

They didn't. They had donations.

Soo... you're not fine with it then? Or am I going to hear excuses next?

how are donations and subscriptions the same exactly? Are you forced to pay or what?

[Orangetai420]

Dont get it twisted, if the Nostralius people had as good of lawyers as blizzard it would still be active. Blizzard is just able to bully people that are causing no harm to them because they are jealous and mad

Ha! Not a chance.... You think a team of lawyers is going to change anything? They STOLE intellectual property.... maybe the idea of IP doesn't make sense to you, otherwise I don't know how you could make such a claim. Here you go bud: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property

[zorkuus]

how are donations and subscriptions the same exactly? Are you forced to pay or what?

So excuses it is....

[satimy]

If the Nostralius admins had lawyers as good as Blizzard, they wouldn't be able to afford to be up. They can barely afford it now and it's not exactly a given that they wouldn't have been forced to close soon anyway. Corporations, while legally people, don't get jealous and mad. They protect their interests.

Sure thats why there are multiple other private servers still running and always will be. You can only protect something if its in danger, Nostralius was irrelevant to blizzard. Blizzard was just jealous that a bunch of broke nobodies were able to recapture people that said bye bye to them long ago. Thats my speculation

[Charge me Doctor]

10 years old game that is no longer relevant.

This game no longer exist, they can't "steal" it. You also can't steal an IP. The only thing i can think of that they can "steal" is "consumers", but this argument is so stretched, because none of players who went for semi-vanilla experience would want live version of it

[Dartz1979]

They were already going to shut down on April 10th due to the bills. Last month they decided to stop taking donations and instead if you want to donate you have to go directly to the Server Host, who forces you to pay in bulk, in other words the whole bill or nothing. The bill wasn't paid. It was going down anyway but this is a convenient out for shitposters so they can blame Blizzard despite the fact that in this one instance they did everything by the book.

SOURCE:
http://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=37403

If that's the case they should get a gofundme thing setup to keep it open.

[Notshauna]

So excuses it is....

Accepting donations doesn't make something not free.

[satimy]

Ha! Not a chance.... You think a team of lawyers is going to change anything? They STOLE intellectual property.... maybe the idea of IP doesn't make sense to you, otherwise I don't know how you could make such a claim. Here you go bud: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property

no youre right, you are clearly a legal scholars lawyers are stupid and expensive and wont change anything

[Masser]

Disgusting move by Blizzard.

[americandavey]

At the very least I hope they reconsider their stance about Vanilla servers, clearly many players would love to play them again.

I've always loved the idea of some sort of seasonal servers where they progressively open instances so that guilds can compete first kills up to WotLK and reset them afterwards, or something along those lines kind of like D3 seasons, oh well.

You have no clue on the logistics of opening a legacy server. The manpower and resources to update old code to work with battle.net and all its features. People went to private servers because they DON'T want to pay for a subscription and that isn't going to change. Are people going to pay $15 a month for something that will never see bug fixes, no new content because its Legacy server, hours or days waiting for a CS staff to unstuck your character. How much resources do they pull away from their main team to do all of that and NOT piss off the people paying for new content?

I see people claim that they brought Vanilla WoW. Guess what there is no Vanilla WoW. It has been and continue to be World of Warcraft. As such they can sue operators of private servers and even hosting companies because every version of World of Warcraft and all its expansions is Blizzard's IP.

[Orangetai420]

no youre right, you are clearly a legal scholars lawyers are stupid and expensive and wont change anything

Excellent counter argument, my friend. Truly this is a thread for the ages.

I think you just can't admit that you are 100% wrong. This isn't some subjective discussion about opinion, this is fact.