ultra fast pulling tanks in dungeons

[Deleted]

There are no challenging pulls now. So waiting 10-20-30sec after each big pull removes e fun from game. If i can just spam 1 button and tank would be at 90% HP all the time what's fun about that, nothing. I can put my character on follow that way and just spam one button while watching television or something not even remotely connected to game.

Again there are no challenging pull while you level, on lvl90 it becomes a bit harder but it's still way too ez, when you are geared ( mythic ) you can solo ANY HC dungeon as a tank and perhaps as a dps with good gear also.

never said you had to wait 10-30 seconds after each pull. but pulling 5 packs at the same time, and once 1 pack is dead, pull another and so forth. gives no downtime at all and has the tank under constant high damage.

Thing is:
if you're too slow -> you get yelled at.
if you're too fast -> you get yelled at.

But the definition of slow and fast changes depending on the group so it's going to be imposible for the tank to guess the perfect speed for each group. I'm a healer and honestly I would rather have the tank go fast in my groups.

Not sure why it is only possible to go fast or slow and you can't adjust your speed mid run. A tank can surely assess the situation and adjust his speed depending on that or the healer/dps can always ask to slow/speed up. Not everyone yells, and that hardly ever happens, assuming they are yelling because they are giving feedback on the speed is just silly.

[Dracodraco]

Actually I'm there to enjoy the scenery, or at least the first time I'm in it. Also I don't think he said the tank was picking up quest items, just zerging it and not caring about what anybody else in the group wants or needs. I've never been a fan of zerging even when I tank, but when I do tank I look at my group comp and always pay attention to healers mana and where the group is, that's always been part of the responsibilities of the tank. You are the guardian of the group!!!

If you're there to enjoy the scenery don't queue up for random dungeons whose entire allure is bonus exp. Make a group for the dungeon and go with likeminded people. If you queue for a random dungeon that rewards gear and EXP, the agreed upon objective for the group is to get gear and EXP.
As for not picking up quest items, I highly doubt he wouldn't be if he was zerging the dungeon - remember that pretty much every single dungeon quest is either "kill X mobs" or "Pick up <token> from <random boss> and give it to me". Things that can be done as you run past.

Your responsibilities as a tank is to take damage instead of the DPS in a dungeon. Nothing more, nothing less. This can be achieved by zerging. You're not responsible for controlling the healers mana pool. The healer is.

Well, that's not entirely true. Below level 50 you usually don't need a tank, just a healer. And above you need a tank and not necessarily a healer.

You'd be dumb to not spec tank if you're below level 50; tanks tend to have insane damage output at lower levels (pre-BC/WOTLK) because they get access to AOE-tools way before dps does, because tanking groups without aoe tools is extremely tedious. A good tank can easily double the damage of a good DPS at level 20-30, and is immortal to boot.

Sure, you don't *need* the tank to do those dungeons (and to be frank, you don't need a tank in any normal dungeon, ever, as long as you play cleverly), but they're the best choise for damage *and* immortal. Why wouldn't you pick one .

[PuppetShowJustice]

Not sure why it is only possible to go fast or slow and you can't adjust your speed mid run. A tank can surely assess the situation and adjust his speed depending on that or the healer/dps can always ask to slow/speed up. Not everyone yells, and that hardly ever happens, assuming they are yelling because they are giving feedback on the speed is just silly.

Lets be fair, not everyone is tactful. I've been called really mean things for pulling too slowly and likewise insulted for going too quickly. Sometimes for things I have no control over or can't even see. I literally had a healer in a ZG run during Cata call me out as rudely as possible because he was eating a poptart and I was pulling too fast for him to heal and poptart at the same time.

Clearly my fault, right?

[markos82]

never said you had to wait 10-30 seconds after each pull. but pulling 5 packs at the same time, and once 1 pack is dead, pull another and so forth. gives no downtime at all and has the tank under constant high damage.

And it still makes the game --- healing easier than back in the vanilla where you had to CC, use CD on every "big" pack, interrupt, use healing potion, mana potion, watch for aggro and eat after big pull. So i dont see a problem with that. I dont have any problems as a healer not do i have it as tank. Game right now on low levels is many times easier than back in the vanilla, every aspect of the game is easier so there is no need for frustration and pulling your hair out because tank pulled 5+ packs.

[Deleted]

Depends on a) the Tank b) the Healer c) the content.

When a tank in 740 gear "recklessly" pulls everything in a 630 heroic I couldn't care less. It literally literally can't go wrong. Low geared tanks messing with low geared healers, yes, that can be rude.

It's the same in leveling dungeons, a tank in full looms can solo the place anyway, a tank in green quest rewards pulling everything can be a pain, rare as it is.

[Deleted]

If the tank dosnt pull ultra fast, then some dps does it. And nothing makes a tank more angry than that. So basically they have to do it to avoid having a rage outburst ... at least that is my experience

[Deleted]

Lets be fair, not everyone is tactful. I've been called really mean things for pulling too slowly and likewise insulted for going too quickly. Sometimes for things I have no control over or can't even see. I literally had a healer in a ZG run during Cata call me out as rudely as possible because he was eating a poptart and I was pulling too fast for him to heal and poptart at the same time.

Clearly my fault, right?

Of course it was! it is common courtesy to ask if anyone is eating a poptart before you start! /s

I do know what you mean with some people being assholes, but i'm sure they are still the exceptions

[Vector Sigma]

Back when I still played, I played exclusively as a tank. Whenever I was bored and went into a dungeon just to help others out, EVERY time I heard a healer start shouting at me to go fast before we've even started, I would go out of my way to go as slow as I could. If the healer would try to be slick and run ahead and pull a few more groups, I'd immediately stop using any threat generators and just auto attack whoever I was originally attacking. Ditto if one of the DPSers tried to do the same. And then I'd go all that much slower as we went on.

No skin off my back; I had nothing to gain being in there and I was just trying to be nice. But if everyone else is being a dick, I have no problem being an even bigger dick. If they kick me? Don't care one iota, I had instant queues while they would have to sit and wait however long to get another tank, assuming their impatient asses could be bothered to wait in the first place.

If no one said a single negative thing and they let me do my job? We'd tear through the dungeon at record speeds, pausing where needed or doing side stuff for people to finish their quests if they had any. In the end, everyone would be super happy about how smoothly the run went, how fast it was, and how we got everything everyone needed.

Moral: Don't be a fucking cock in LFG, especially to a tank. 9 times out of 10, YOU'RE the problem.

[Deleted]

Back when I still played, I played exclusively as a tank. Whenever I was bored and went into a dungeon just to help others out, EVERY time I heard a healer start shouting at me to go fast before we've even started, I would go out of my way to go as slow as I could. If the healer would try to be slick and run ahead and pull a few more groups, I'd immediately stop using any threat generators and just auto attack whoever I was originally attacking. Ditto if one of the DPSers tried to do the same. And then I'd go all that much slower as we went on.

No skin off my back; I had nothing to gain being in there and I was just trying to be nice. But if everyone else is being a dick, I have no problem being an even bigger dick. If they kick me? Don't care one iota, I had instant queues while they would have to sit and wait however long to get another tank, assuming their impatient asses could be bothered to wait in the first place.

If no one said a single negative thing and they let me do my job? We'd tear through the dungeon at record speeds, pausing where needed or doing side stuff for people to finish their quests if they had any. In the end, everyone would be super happy about how smoothly the run went, how fast it was, and how we got everything everyone needed.

Moral: Don't be a fucking cock in LFG, especially to a tank. 9 times out of 10, YOU'RE the problem.

Were they actually being dicks though and not just stating that they are ok if you do big pulls?

[Vector Sigma]

Were they actually being dicks though and not just stating that they are ok if you do big pulls?

Yes, they were being dicks. Every time one of those people open their asshole mouths before the dungeon even starts, they're being a dick.

[Donald Hellscream]

As a tank I will pull as fast as i gauge the healer will be able to keep up, if I am asked to slow down I will, if they ask me to speed up I will. If they pull before me I won't attack the mobs and begin attacking something else.

[Deleted]

Yes, they were being dicks. Every time one of those people open their asshole mouths before the dungeon even starts, they're being a dick.

It's not a very polite thing to start with making such a statement, sure. But they aren't doing anything wrong except letting the tank know how fast he can go, so neither waste time. There is always a possibility that they are dicks by pulling ahead of a tank for no reason for example. You caused people to act toxic without knowing if they actually are....

As a tank I will pull as fast as i gauge the healer will be able to keep up, if I am asked to slow down I will, if they ask me to speed up I will. If they pull before me I won't attack the mobs and begin attacking something else.

it's as simple as doing that to make everyone their run better

[Ealyssa]

Yes, they were being dicks. Every time one of those people open their asshole mouths before the dungeon even starts, they're being a dick.

Could be my new sig /approve

[Gracin]

I level toons on occasion just for shits and giggles, and it doesn't matter if I'm tanking or healing, ultra fast is the way to go. You talk about quest pickup items in dungeons, like what? The serpentbloom in WC, because the mobs are so spread out in WC that there is no way a tank is pulling to many to die. Outside of WX, I can't even remember another dungeon where you are actually having to loot items from anything other than bosses.

I dunno, you can sit back and take your time doing dungeons, meanwhile when I find a tank(if I'm healing) or healer(if I'm tanking) that get's it in their skull that between the two of us were can't die; we'll be hauling ass and racking up xp. As a shaman healer I ran dungeons for like 3 hours with the same tank and a couple dps about a month ago, and we tore it the hell up. Sub 5 minute Scarlet runs...mmmmmm sexy.

[Vector Sigma]

It's not a very polite thing to start with making such a statement, sure. But they aren't doing anything wrong except letting the tank know how fast he can go, so neither waste time. There is always a possibility that they are dicks by pulling ahead of a tank for no reason for example. You caused people to act toxic without knowing if they actually are....



it's as simple as doing that to make everyone their run better

You keep thinking that. All you've told me is that you're one of the aforementioned dick players, so your opinion is, you know, absolutely worthless to me.

[Deleted]

You keep thinking that. All you've told me is that you're one of the aforementioned dick players, so your opinion is, you know, absolutely worthless to me.

You know what they say about assuming...

[Sithalos]

People yell at tanks if they go too fast. People yell at tanks that go too slow.

People wonder why there is always a tank shortage.

[kamuimac]

the only reason for tanks to slow down pull should be if healer is oom - nothing irritates me more then healer who whine about to fast pulling when i see him siting on 90-100 % of mana - if he wants to wank in between pull he shouldnt be in those dungeons in first place .

[diox990]

Not sure why it is only possible to go fast or slow

As i said "the definition of slow and fast changes depending on the group".

And yes I do agree that communication is important and could easily fix this, but as OP said:

For those who will say "communicate" and ask them to pull slightly slower, communication rarely happens according to my experience. If I step back to type "slow down" he is literally dead. I am afraid of being victimized by douchebags and get kicked from the dungeon.

[Anastacy]

If a tank is pulling fast, and you're keeping up, and the group never wipes...

WTH is your problem?

Oh no's, I have to LoH every time it's up...but you're keeping up with normal heals the rest of the time, right? Kay, np.

Put your shit on auto-loot, click one damn corpse, and move on.