Why don't refugees stay and fight

[Azadina]

Just about the only thing that all of the different factions in Syria can actually agree on is that the West is the real enemy and responsible for all of their problems through colonialism, resource exploitation, and the like. So if they were to stop fighting each other and find common ground, we'd have an even bigger problem on our hands.

And if that is the case, then how stupid is it to allow a single person into the west from there?

[Deleted]

Then why would you want to live here? Why would you want to live somewhere where you are not wanted?

Nothing I said was fake.

I really dont think people understand how fucking fed up people are with the Progressive Left. Shits about to hit the fan.

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Fuck the UN. The UN is one of the biggest problems in the world today. Dismantle that shit. Cant wait for the US to finally tell them to fuck off. Thats coming too.

No. it was all true.
Oh and fuck the UN. Biggest problem in the world!

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I have an idea, we should have never undermined Assad to begin with.


Multiculturalism is a massive fucking failure being pushed by Globalists and naive bleeding hearts

Oh you "shouldnt have"? Awwww look guys... he's sorry.
Well you fucking did. And you did fuck libya and iraq up too. And now thanks to your stupid warmongering actions people are fleeing the place and coming here.
So do something alright? Mind your fucking business. You guys have done enough damage already.

[Estherna]

I have an idea, we should have never undermined Assad to begin with.


Multiculturalism is a massive fucking failure being pushed by Globalists and naive bleeding hearts

So you are saying that you have all the rights to defend your freedom and your way of life, but that the Syrians don't have any rights to the same. Well, that's quite a mentality that you have there.

If there is any Syrians there, please give that message from FREE USA to your fellows countrymen: "Please, for our own confort, stop fighting the bloody tyrant that have been gazing your famillies and slaughtering your relatives. Come back to your previous lives and gladly smiles when all the money coming from the exploitation of the natural ressources of your countries is directly going to the bank account of your beloved president's family. Thank you for your understanding. Kisses".

[Macaquerie]

And if that is the case, then how stupid is it to allow a single person into the west from there?

Because refugees are sort of by definition people who didn't want to take sides in the conflict and just want to escape it. Sure, there's a chance that some of them are radicals, but if we force them to stay in Syria and ride it out, we're basically ensuring that they will become terrorists.

[Deleted]

Well please, show us the reports. And be sure to include with them a comparaison of the situation at the same period the previous years, for us to see a progression in the rapes. And also, we need figures that show that the proportion of rapes commited by refugees are increasing.

In the overall, it's same old. Situation getting difficult, crisis is looming because of an irregulated capitalist system that have broken the real economy. The poor and the middle-class is suffering the most, whereas the ones who are basicaly the responsibles for the situation are okay, thanks for them. And, as the people are more and more angry because of what the loose in their confort, then they turn to some scapegoats to feel better.

Well, rather than wondering what went wrong with what we were doing, let's harass those who are weaker than us and say that it is their fault that everything is going wrong. It is so conforting, so easy. No complex answers to complex questions. Simple answers, easy solutions. After all, we just have to expel them from our countries, and everything will be fine again, right?

All of that happened before, so many times. I'm not blaming you. You are just having a very human reaction. Like those refugees fleeing a war because they are afraid for their families and their lives. But if you take time to consider the whole picture, you will come to realize the only truth that there is: you are more alike those refugees than you think. And certainly closer than the ones that leads the world.

I'm fairly certain a lot of people were against the immigrants long before the economy broke down. The wave of refugees, more vocal political sides both on the right and left wing have escalated the situation though, mostly by the media attention it gets. It's especially difficult in some countries though, like here in Finland, we're facing bigger cutbacks to sectors that should be independent of the economy than ever before seen in the country's history and on top of that we're expected to just reach out a helping hand when the national economy can barely handle what we pay taxes to maintain. Which in turn create more cuts to funding for education, medical care, and infrastructure as the money gets divided elsewhere.

When you take all that into account and you might figure out why we are even more sceptical to others than ever before.

[Slant]

Most people feel the same about you.

Uncalled for.

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Not sure if you've noticed, but that's how war has been as long as human race has had war. That civilian becomes a "soldier" the moment you give them a weapon to fight with.

And they magically know how to shoot properly, how to not die, how to handle the weapon, how soldiering works... just shove an ak in their hands and they're all supersoldiers instantly?

Must be easy, living your life where magic happens around you like that.

[Oktoberfest]

Yup, Dubya told us to hold our breaths as he is going to tell the UN to "fuck off" very soon. A lot of good people I knew died of asphyxiation because of that.

Dubya was the worst President in US history.....until Obama came in

[Slant]

I think it is a disgrace that these supposed "refugees" come to Europe and repay the kindness of these countries by raping, molesting and sexually harassing as many women as they can, contributing to the explosion of murder, assaults and robbery. Not to mention terrorism.

You should shut up now.

[oxymoronic]

I find it really ironic that you blame them for most of their problems when it's western nations that have been fcking up the middle east for a while now. Just ask the CIA.

its amazing people think this. just amazing. if not for western involvement things would be 100x worse in all muslim countries.

[Azadina]

And they magically know how to shoot properly, how to not die, how to handle the weapon, how soldiering works... just shove an ak in their hands and they're all supersoldiers instantly?

Must be easy, living your life where magic happens around you like that.

Point me a war where even the professional soldiers don't die. What are you claiming, that people do not die in war if they are trained?

[Oktoberfest]

Its very easy to be brave as long you do not need to do the fighting.....

The South made one big mistake. They didnt take the fight to the North and they didnt burn it down like Sherman did to the South

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War

[oxymoronic]

Uncalled for.

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And they magically know how to shoot properly, how to not die, how to handle the weapon, how soldiering works... just shove an ak in their hands and they're all supersoldiers instantly?

Must be easy, living your life where magic happens around you like that.

the other side is nothing but untrained badly equipped heathens. and yes every major war in history was fought by people with no soldier experience.

[Oktoberfest]

its amazing people think this. just amazing. if not for western involvement things would be 100x worse in all muslim countries.

Sadly enough this is probably true.

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No. it was all true.
Oh and fuck the UN. Biggest problem in the world!

Oh you "shouldnt have"? Awwww look guys... he's sorry.
Well you fucking did. And you did fuck libya and iraq up too. And now thanks to your stupid warmongering actions people are fleeing the place and coming here.
So do something alright? Mind your fucking business. You guys have done enough damage already.

I agree on the fact we need to stay out of the Middle East and let it implode on its own. Build a wall around it I say

[Slant]

Point me a war where even the professional soldiers don't die. What are you claiming, that people do not die in war if they are trained?

There's a difference between having a fighting chance and being cannon fodder. Especially in a civil war things are not as easy as you make them out to be. Let's assume you're shoving someone an AK and he turns into Rambo. Then you tell him to shoot some dude down the road, cos he's from "the other side". And what if he turns back to you and says "Um, no, that's my cousin, I can't shoot him"

Really, Syria is a whole shitload of grey and little black/white. It's not an RTS down there, it's actual anarchy and chaos.

[Deleted]

its amazing people think this. just amazing. if not for western involvement things would be 100x worse in all muslim countries.

yes like Iran... uuuh no hold on... Iraq... mmmmh no wait.. Libya... no one second hold on... Syria... fuck no hold on... Afghanistan... mmmh no fuck.

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Sadly enough this is probably true.

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Erm but.... it's not?

[Estherna]

I'm fairly certain a lot of people were against the immigrants long before the economy broke down. The wave of refugees, more vocal political sides both on the right and left wing have escalated the situation though, mostly by the media attention it gets. It's especially difficult in some countries though, like here in Finland, we're facing bigger cutbacks to sectors that should be independent of the economy than ever before seen in the country's history and on top of that we're expected to just reach out a helping hand when the national economy can barely handle what we pay taxes to maintain. Which in turn create more cuts to funding for education, medical care, and infrastructure as the money gets divided elsewhere.

When you take all that into account and you might figure out why we are even more sceptical to others than ever before.

So, rather than going after the ones that broke down the economy by, for example, not paying their taxes and hiding them in Panama, we turn on those who have to flee their countries. And why do they flee their countries? Maybe because some people decided to fuck up Middle-East for oil and profit since 50 years now.

The refugees are as much victims of the frigging unruled economic system to whom we have given all leisure to control our lives than we are. Terrorists didn't wake up a morning, opened their Quran and said "Hey, we should attack the West, that sounds like a good thing to do". As much as Al Qaeda was trained, funded and armed by the CIA in the 80, the West creates its own ennemies.

Because of short sightness. Because some people are looking how much money they can make out of this and this country, without caring to what happens to the resst of the people. It is how it goes. Rentability. Profit.
Morality has no place in this world. And in the end, the one who pays the bill aren't those who eat at the fancy restaurant.

[Super Friendly Kitty Cat]

Well please, show us the reports. And be sure to include with them a comparaison of the situation at the same period the previous years, for us to see a progression in the rapes. And also, we need figures that show that the proportion of rapes commited by refugees are increasing.

In the overall, it's same old. Situation getting difficult, crisis is looming because of an irregulated capitalist system that have broken the real economy. The poor and the middle-class is suffering the most, whereas the ones who are basicaly the responsibles for the situation are okay, thanks for them. And, as the people are more and more angry because of what the loose in their confort, then they turn to some scapegoats to feel better.

Well, rather than wondering what went wrong with what we were doing, let's harass those who are weaker than us and say that it is their fault that everything is going wrong. It is so conforting, so easy. No complex answers to complex questions. Simple answers, easy solutions. After all, we just have to expel them from our countries, and everything will be fine again, right?

All of that happened before, so many times. I'm not blaming you. You are just having a very human reaction. Like those refugees fleeing a war because they are afraid for their families and their lives. But if you take time to consider the whole picture, you will come to realize the only truth that there is: you are more alike those refugees than you think. And certainly closer than the ones that leads the world.

Fairly easy.

‘Cologne is every day’: Europe’s rape epidemic
http://www.news.com.au/finance/econo...d65045e65e141d

Restricting pool use due to sexaul assaults by "refugees"
In Germany:
http://www.politico.eu/article/swimm...ogne-assaults/

In Sweden:
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/75...sexual-assault
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...g-pools-to-pr/
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...swimming-pools

In Belgium:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...-male-refugees

In Austria:
https://www.rt.com/news/331926-austr...ape-reactions/

Merkel admits "refugees" are out of control:
http://www.examiner.com/article/merk...m-rape-culture

The List of European Countries Reporting Rape Crisis From Migrants Is Rising Dangerously
http://www.mediaite.com/online/the-l...g-dangerously/

Women told not to go out at night alone after assaults carried out in Sweden, Finland, Germany, Austria and Switzerland amid warnings gangs are coordinating attacks
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...g-attacks.html

[Cheze]

a lot of the "problem" is that many of the refugees have no particular connection to the idea of 'syria' (or 'iraq,' for that matter) as a unified country.

Like many middle eastern countries, the modern nation of Syria came into being when the victorious european powers drew it on the map following the fall of the ottoman empire in WW1. Unlike many of its fellows Syria did briefly have a republican government, but for the most part has been held together by a succession of kings, autocrats and other strongmen. The actual people of Syria are likely to identify less as 'Syrian' than as members of whatever tribal/religious community they're a part of.

So unlike the people of Finland or Vietnam, Syrians have for the most part had no role forming or guiding their own country, and may not even consider the national government legitimate. So why would they fight for it? People in this thread seem to think there's some type of central authority to which these people could report to receive training and weapons, and there isn't (well, other than what's left of the Assad government.)

And that's leaving aside the refugees who are unable to fight (for reason of age or infirmity or lack of supplies) or have families to consider

[Slant]

its amazing people think this. just amazing. if not for western involvement things would be 100x worse in all muslim countries.

Not really. Iran's current leadership? A direct result of CIA interference. Iraq's IS? Direct interference. Saddam's reign of terror over his own people and the Iraq/Iran war? Direct US interference. Kuweit? US interference (see, since Saddam didn't win vs. Iran, he wanted to get his reward elsewhere with all the shiny toys the US gave him). Israel/Palestine? The biggest blunder the UN ever made, started by the British, too. Not the first time they pulled out and left a former colony in shambles, India/Pakistan anyone? Again Western interference.

Want me to go on? Give me an example, ANY example, and I'll trace it back to western interference. Easy.

[Rampant Rabbit]

Not everyone is a patriot. Not everyone is a 'hero'. Not everyone has the mental will or strength to go into combat. Fleeing the country that you live in and love is not a bad thing at all. It's a terrible thing, not because they leave, but because they have to leave in order to be able to live with or without their families.