Is it any surprise the Alliance doesn't trust the Horde? [SPOILERS]

[RayenDark]

Sylvanas is a hero, Garrosh would have been proud.
You alrdy had your kill(raid) with Garrosh, the Legion not even us the player base killed Varian.

We still wait for Jaina as a raid boss to kill. (or beat her up like you did with Garrosh)

You know-I wouldn't be opposed to Jania as a raid boss. It would be interesting to see what getting power from Lei Shen (Isle of Thunder Quest chain) does to her mage abilities. It might be a fun encounter.

[Zenny]

It was only a losing battle cause the Horde were cowards and ran away.

Based on what exactly? We have very little context here, lacking the Horde scenario and the cinematics. For all we know the Horde position was untenable, a smart commander knows when to retreat.

By your logic the retreat at Dunkirk by the British was nothing more then cowardice, when actually it was the smartest move to make, staying and fighting would have been a disaster.

[bryroo]

Gotta ham fist that faction conflict in there somewhere.

I'm sure the Horde characters will appreciate looking cowardly for a plot device though.

[StationaryHawk]

Furthermore it's impossible for us to truly know whether they were really acting independently or whether this is just a setup so that we believe this, so that you can get away with this attack.

No, we definitely know that Putress and Varimathras were acting independently from Sylvanas.

Then in Cataclysm, Garrosh thinks it's a cool idea to just continue what all these other cool orcs before him started. He attacks Theramore in the most horrific way and starts out on a warpath that ends with him getting stopped, jailed and brought before a pandaren court.

The Alliance and Horde had already been warring all throughout Cataclysm and Theramore was a military target. They even prolonged the bombing long enough for citizens to escape and more military personnel to arrive.

Garona kills King Llane, when he was so kind to take her in.

Garona was a tool of the Shadow Council, who are quite blatantly more concerned with doing the Legion's dirty work than benefiting the Horde. You may as well blame the Alliance for the orc's arrival because Medivh opened the portal.

[wonderlust]

How delightfully ironic that, despite it being the Horde's most common battlecry, in the end it is the leader of the Alliance who gives actual weight to the phrase "Victory or Death".

Should the Horde change their catchphrase now? How do you say "Victory or Retreat" in Orcish?

[Stelio Kontos]

How delightfully ironic that, despite it being the Horde's most common battlecry, in the end it is the leader of the Alliance who gives actual weight to the phrase "Victory or Death".

Should the Horde change their catchphrase now? How do you say "Victory or Retreat" in Orcish?

How do you say "No, not the face!" in Orcish? After the shellacking they got in SoO, the butchery of so many Orcs in Draenor, and now Thrall's Horde going full shit-tier cowards and running away from battle that would be a better cry for the Horde.

[Angel of Justice]

How delightfully ironic that, despite it being the Horde's most common battlecry, in the end it is the leader of the Alliance who gives actual weight to the phrase "Victory or Death".

Should the Horde change their catchphrase now? How do you say "Victory or Retreat" in Orcish?

Lok'tar ORUUUUUN

OT - Yeah its pretty sad from Alliance PoV,Horde scenario isn't up for testing yet but we'll see,so far the alliance beats the legion back to the portal itself while horde run away before entering the "Black City" aka never got off the beach proper,at least it sounds like it.
Could've just pushed them back to the portal then spawncamp them with cannons and wizards imho,till you find a way to shut it down for good,but that would be too simple and we need an expansion sooooo,we just retreat/get defeated.

[Deleted]

Idiotic Alliance fanboy....what kind of retards stay and fight a losing battle?

victory or death

you don't know how to horde

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If Aeula's premise is accurate, then it's because they've lost to us before and know they have to hit us harder than they did in the past. More troops, better armour and weapons, obviously they have to take this a bit more seriously because they can't just steamroll Azeroth like they have other worlds. Also, developing new "technology" (if you can call fel magic that) to make killing the shit out of those guys who are a threat to your army would be a priority even to the Legion, I'd think.

Are you telling me that before the Legion just "didn't really try hard it enough"? Who wrote this shit?

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It's the tomb of Sargeras and probably whatever they're doing with Illidan. If they can move space ships and create instant cities it's not too surprising that they can resurrect demons faster than ever before.

Why would the Tomb of Sargeras have any effect on them? It's just where they put the remains of Sargeras. They used to have access to the Well of Eternity.

[Aeula]

Why would the Tomb of Sargeras have any effect on them? It's just where they put the remains of Sargeras. They used to have access to the Well of Eternity.

The well of eternity was basically a minor titan creation used to help fix the damage done by ripping up an old god. The tomb of Sargeras has the remains of an avatar of Sargeras. Lord of the Legion, strongest of titans, bane of the pantheon and so on and so forth. That corpse is about as legion as it gets, it's probably filled with tons of fel energy, something the Legion will have an easier time attuning to than some random titan-made well.

[Deleted]

The well of eternity was basically a minor titan creation used to help fix the damage done by ripping up an old god. The tomb of Sargeras has the remains of an avatar of Sargeras. Lord of the Legion, strongest of titans, bane of the pantheon and so on and so forth. That corpse is about as legion as it gets, it's probably filled with tons of fel energy, something the Legion will have an easier time attuning to than some random titan-made well.

Are you telling me the dead remains of an avatar of Sargeras were more powerful than the Well of Eternity?

Again, who wrote this shit?

[Aeula]

Are you telling me the dead remains of an avatar of Sargeras were more powerful than the Well of Eternity?

Again, who wrote this shit?

Probably more that it's easier for demons to attune to in order to arrive on Azeroth rather than it simply being more powerful. Maybe there's something else to it. We haven't seen the full story yet, but something is definitely making the Legion's portal stronger than anything the well of eternity could muster.

[StationaryHawk]

Are you telling me the dead remains of an avatar of Sargeras were more powerful than the Well of Eternity?

Again, who wrote this shit?

And the Well of Eternity is just a scab. What's your point exactly?

[Deleted]

And the Well of Eternity is just a scab. What's your point exactly?

What the fuck are you talking about. The Well of Eternity is a huge fount of power.

[StationaryHawk]

What the fuck are you talking about. The Well of Eternity is a huge fount of power.

It's a wound caused by Aman'thul ripping Y'shaarj out of Azeroth. Basically Titan blood, which must be quite potent stuff. Warcraft: Chronicles explains this.

[Camthur]

What the heck is wrong with you people? We don't even know why the horde retreats yet. Yes, they absolutely may have saw an opportunity to ditch the Alliance. Yes, they might have been in a no-win situation on the Shores and had to retreat or die.

The point is, WE DON'T KNOW YET. I'm no fan of the Horde, but I think it might make sense to wait and see what the heck happened. Instead, some of you have jumped to vastly different conclusions and went on a rampage spouting hate-filled faction rhetoric.

[Deleted]

It's a wound caused by Aman'thul ripping Y'shaarj out of Azeroth. Basically Titan blood, which must be quite potent stuff. Warcraft: Chronicles explains this.

I know, That's what I said, it's a huge fount of power.

it's just a scab

quite potent though

fascinating points you make

[StationaryHawk]

fascinating points you make

My point is that the Well of Eternity was ultimately just the wound of a titan, so the idea that the remains of an avatar of Sargeras could do for demons what the arcane lifeblood of a titan can do for mages and the like isn't unbelievable. Which is, of course, besides the point of the topic.