The Alliance and Lordaeron

[xChurch]

Change the "and" in your title to "of" and you'll see your answer.

[Night Wind]

Fuck it... I'm out... Reread the last 3 pages for your answer.

I know the answer. Blizzard wants the Alliance to be defined by the past. And that is my problem with it.

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Change the "and" in your title to "of" and you'll see your answer.

So what relation does Alliance of Lordaeron have to the horde controlled Lordaeron? Or is that title just to show the Alliance can't let go of the past?

[xChurch]

So what relation does Alliance of Lordaeron have to the horde controlled Lordaeron? Or is that title just to show the Alliance can't let go of the past?

Yup, pretty much. Lordaeron is the Historical capital of the Alliance and even though it's not part of the Alliance anymore, it's still representative of it.

[FelPlague]

my opinion on this is that loderan is where the allaince started, and it fell, so people dawn this sigil as a "remember" thing, like how the blood elves still say "remember the sunwell" as to remember to event and how it fell back then

[Aquamonkey]

So it is blizzards intent that the Alliance should fight for Lordaeron. Thanks for the Metzen quote.

The Alliance of Lordaeron wasn't named for the Kingdom of Lordaeron, it's named for the continent of Lordaeron in which all but Stormwind resided.

[Night Wind]

The Alliance of Lordaeron wasn't named for the Kingdom of Lordaeron, it's named for the continent of Lordaeron in which all but Stormwind resided.

Can you provide a source that comfirms that? Not that it makes any difference, since the L symbol the Alliance uses represents the kingdom of Lordaeron, not the continent.

[flepser]

It's time those puny humans get Lordaeron back and let the Forsaken shatter throughout the continents. If Genn manages to kill Sylvanas with a nasty Worgen trick, maybe Sylvanas will be unable to resurrect fallen humans any longer and that'll be the chance for them (not sure how that Val'kyr thing works). The Forsaken are currently the strongest force of the Horde (military wise with strong leadership) so the victory will still be hard fought, if it comes to a victory.

[Zulkhan]

Lordaeron was the Heart and the Leader of the old Alliance of Lordaeron, so therewith the crest of Lordaeron was also the symbol of the Alliance. Because of that and because the Alliance is ideological still deep connected with the Legacy of Lordaeron, they still use the L of Lordaeron as a Symbol. The Alliance will never try to reclaim Lordaeron, Blizzard fears that the Forsaken Fans will cry and try to kill themselves if someone is mean to them.

Indeed, Lordaeron is a symbol and should be treated as such, because Lordaeron exists only as a symbol nowdays. Even if the Alliance would "reclaim" Lordaeron all they would get is a bunch of tainted lands with empty buildings.

You don't spend resources and troops over hollow ideology, you do so over resources and material gains.

*Sigh* You just want to be argumentative.

What a surprise, considered the poster in question.

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Indeed, Lordaeron is a symbol and should be treated as such, because Lordaeron exists only as a symbol nowdays. Even if the Alliance would "reclaim" Lordaeron all they would get is a bunch of tainted lands with empty buildings.

You don't spend resources and troops over hollow ideology, you do so over resources and material gains.

Like I said many times before, I would be happy with plots in which the Alliance at least fights the Forsaken and tries to reclaim Lordaeron. Having at least a glorious fight would be satisfying enough for me, as Rp-Player.

[flepser]

Indeed, Lordaeron is a symbol and should be treated as such, because Lordaeron exists only as a symbol nowdays. Even if the Alliance would "reclaim" Lordaeron all they would get is a bunch of tainted lands with empty buildings.

You don't spend resources and troops over hollow ideology, you do so over resources and material gains.



What a surprise, considered the poster in question.

Emotion is more likely to rule then ration. So if Genn manages to convince the Wrynn family that taking Lordaeron back is the best thing the Alliance can do, who knows.

[Night Wind]

Indeed, Lordaeron is a symbol and should be treated as such, because Lordaeron exists only as a symbol nowdays. Even if the Alliance would "reclaim" Lordaeron all they would get is a bunch of tainted lands with empty buildings.

You don't spend resources and troops over hollow ideology, you do so over resources and material gains.



What a surprise, considered the poster in question.

Are you still salty? lol!

[Deleted]

They are, in name only, like a continuation. It doesn't mean they have to fight for it.
I mean, i bet the Alliance at some point will make again stupid attempts to retake it, only to fail once more.

This. It's like how the Roman Empire kept calling themselves that until Constantinople fell in, like, 1400 AD even though they hadn't controlled Rome for many many centuries.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Emotion is more likely to rule then ration. So if Genn manages to convince the Wrynn family that taking Lordaeron back is the best thing the Alliance can do, who knows.

Thousands of Alliance would die, beyond that, no idea.

[Zulkhan]

Like I said many times before, I would be happy with plots in which the Alliance at least fights the Forsaken and tries to reclaim Lordaeron. Having at least a glorious fight would be satisfying enough for me, as Rp-Player.

That's the problem, the Human/Forsaken fight makes more sense in Gilneas or even Arathi, very little in Lordaeron.

Are you still salty? lol!

What can I say, I like to confirm people's legitimate conclusions.

[Night Wind]

That's the problem, the Human/Forsaken fight makes more sense in Gilneas or even Arathi, very little in Lordaeron.



What can I say, I like to confirm people's legitimate conclusions.

That guy was saying calia cares for Lordaeron despite the fact the everything shows that she doesn't care. Are you saying you agree with Rizendragon?

[Zulkhan]

That guy was saying calia cares for Lordaeron despite the fact the everything shows that she doesn't care. Are you saying you agree with Rizendragon?

She never said she doesn't care. She stated a bloody fact: Lordaeron is no more.

ib4 pages of arguing for arguing's sake

[Khaza-R]

Well the Alliance is technically the "Alliance of Lordaeron" or the Grand Alliance. Even if Lordaeron no longer exists.

Its added some new members and changed leadership, but for all purposes its the same entity. The Alliance never actually disbanded after the events of the Frozen Throne.

Reign of Chaos :
Kingdom of Lordaeron - Leader King Terenas II
- Kingdom of Dalaran
- High Elves of Quel'Thalas
- Dwarves of Ironforge

Frozen Throne :
Survivors of Lordaron (Eastern Kingdoms) - Leader - Garithos
Survivors of Lordaeron (Kalimdor) - Leader - Jaina Proudmoore (briefly Daelin Proudmoore)
- Blood Elves
- Dwarves of Ironforge


Post TFT -> Vanilla WoW :
Garithos and the survivors left in Lordaeron either die or leave the Alliance
Theramoore joins Stromwind, they become new leader
Night Elves join the Alliance
Gnome refugees join the Alliance

So yeah. The symbol still makes sense. The Lordaeron crest is the symbol of the Grand Alliance. The Alliance in WoW is still the Grand Alliance.

[Graden]

Emotion is more likely to rule then ration. So if Genn manages to convince the Wrynn family that taking Lordaeron back is the best thing the Alliance can do, who knows.

Trust me, Genn doesn't give a fuck about Lordaeron. I mean he didn't give one when he should, when Lordaeron was crying for help while it was getting butchered by the Scourge, near his very doorstep.
Imagine now, how much he would care for a tainted, cursed land. Genn cares only for Gilneas above all else, and maybe a bit for the Alliance .

[Night Wind]

She never said she doesn't care. She stated a bloody fact: Lordaeron is no more.

ib4 pages of arguing for arguing's sake

The Alliance don't believe that, otherwise they wouldn't call themselves the Alliance of Lordaeron and they wouldn't have made attempts to reclaim it.

If calia cared, she wouldn't have abandoned her last name. She doesn't care about her old kingdom.

[Graden]

The Alliance don't believe that, otherwise they wouldn't call themselves the Alliance of Lordaeron and they wouldn't have made attempts to reclaim it.

If calia cared, she wouldn't have abandoned her last name. She doesn't care about her old kingdom.

......When exactly did Calia abandoned her last name? What the fuck?