[Movie] Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

[pateuvasiliu]

But he does! He mows fools down like no tmmrw. His car has a fuckong chain gun in front of it. In fact this batman is the least batman of every interpretation. Seriously wtf he brands fools? Superman/Kent has largely done nothing but save people but everyone is anti superman? It makes no fucking sense.

He did now. Some 20 years after being Batman, after losing Jason.

The reason he normally hates killing and guns is that it reminds him of his parents' death and he wants to be different from their murderer.

[Glorious Leader]

He did now. Some 20 years after being Batman, after losing Jason.

The reason he normally hates killing and guns is that it reminds him of his parents' death and he wants to be different from their murderer.

He literally says to darkseid in final crisis I'm making the exception for you. THE EXCEPTION. In this movie batman mowing fools down is more like the rule. In fact the kryptonite noob tube is the least batmany look they could have given him.

Nolan produced this movie. His interpretation of batman is vastly superior and feels.closer to the batman archetype and mythos than Snyders. I don't get how this movie was made with him producing and David Goyer (who helped write tdk) writing. Really really talented people worked on this film. Henry cavill was awesome in man from uncle. Ben Affleck and Eisenberg have stared in fantastic pictures. All this talent went to waste.

[Immitis]

[Zoaric]

Leto did an interview for Entertainment Weekly. I cut some of it out, as it's rather long.

EW:ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: What were your original thoughts when you were approached about taking on a character that has become so iconic?
JARED LETO: You take a deep breath. There is a responsibility I suppose that you can feel but it’s also incredibly exciting. The work that’s been done on this character by so many people before me has been so impactful, so incredible, so much fun, so profound, so risky, that it’s a very special thing to be asked to take on that responsibility.

EW: What did you want to do with him to make him feel original in comparison to what had been done before?
JL: We knew we had to strike new ground. There had been such great work that we knew we had to go in a different direction. So you had a kind of direction from the very beginning, knowing that you can’t go that way, so you have to head this way. That was really helpful. But the Joker is fantastic because there are no rules. The Joker operates from instinct.

EW: What kind of conversations did you have with David about who this guy was going to be?
JL: David and I had conversations and I think he trusted that I was going to go out and experiment and explore and come back with something for him to continue the collaboration with. And it was nice to have that trust from him. He really let me lose and encouraged me. That was a priceless thing when you’re working with a director to have that faith and trust.

EW: So what did you do to create this guy? What did you go and do? Who did this guy become to you?
JL: He became a real person. I don’t know if person is the right word. I think the Joker lives in between reality and another plane. Kind of a shaman in a way. It’s a very intoxicating role to take on. You have permission to break rules and to challenge yourself and anyone around you in a really unique way.

I first started at the beginning, educating myself, researching, reading as much as I could, going back to the source material. And then at a certain point, I knew I had to stop doing that. Because the Joker has been redefined, reinvented many times before. I think the fun thing about it is when people have done it in the past, there is some spirit of the Joker essence that they keep, but they either build upon something or tear something down and start again at the beginning. For me, I knew once I had gone through the process of educating myself, I had to throw everything away and start from the beginning and really build this from the ground up. It was a transformative process. There was a physical transformation. There was a physical conditioning.

EW: What, specifically, did you do?
JL: There are a lot of things. It’s probably better to not get into it but to the Joker, violence is a symphony. This is someone who gets an extreme reward from the act of violence and manipulation. Those are the songs he sings and he is very in tune with what makes people tick. I did meet with people that were experts, doctors, psychiatrists that dealt with psychopaths and people who had committed horrendous crimes, and then I spent some time with those people themselves, people who have been institutionalized for great periods of time. I guess when you take on a role, any role, you become part detective, part writer, and for me that’s my favorite time of the entire process, the discovering, the uncovering, and the building of a character. Yeah, it’s really fun.

EW: Tell me about the video you made for your castmates before your henchman dropped a pig on the table in the middle of the rehearsal room. How did that whole thing go down?
JL: I think in the beginning it was important to set up and define our relationship, so to speak. [laughs] There were a lot of things. It was fun. You’ve got to remember doing these things isn’t just about the result, it’s the process. It’s working with Mr. Frost, who is the Joker’s henchman. It’s making the choice and the decision of how am I going to introduce the Joker to the very first people who will meet him. So it becomes an exercise as much for me as it is for anyone else. And it’s as much about the process as it is about the results. How do you go about these sorts of things? How do you work with the people around you? It was a lot of fun. The attention to detail and the process that we went through helped to bring a life to the character for me. Those actions and those gestures—the joker loves a grand gesture. Those were really important. And they were fun. The Joker is someone who doesn’t take things too seriously.


EW: How involved were you in creating the Joker’s look?
JL: David had some very specific ideas. As far as the look of the Joker, it was a collaborative process. There were things I brought to the table and things David brought to the table and it was a mashup of both of our sick and twisted minds. There were specific things that he liked and wanted and I was there to help bring them to life in the best way I could.

[eschatological]

That interview made it sound like Leto just basically made up who he thought the Joker should be, as long as it was different than Nicholson/Ledger or even Hamill.

[Kelimbror]

That interview made it sound like Leto just basically made up who he thought the Joker should be, as long as it was different than Nicholson/Ledger or even Hamill.

Somehow I doubt his method acting, which he claims took him to places of violence and whatever, is comparable to the process that Ledger went through which ultimately killed him. I mean, I'm not asking for Leto to be suicidal, but Ledger became the Joker. Leto sounds like he became a teenager with no rules. Again, still think it will turn out ok....but this kind of stuff pulls back the curtain a little too much. Just a man pulling some strings in there, nothing to see.

[eschatological]

Somehow I doubt his method acting, which he claims took him to places of violence and whatever, is comparable to the process that Ledger went through which ultimately killed him. I mean, I'm not asking for Leto to be suicidal, but Ledger became the Joker. Leto sounds like he became a teenager with no rules. Again, still think it will turn out ok....but this kind of stuff pulls back the curtain a little too much. Just a man pulling some strings in there, nothing to see.

I didn't like it either. I don't know, I associate something brutal with the Joker, but also a bit elegant. I wouldn't say he has no rules, but that his rules are so twisted as to make little sense. Like, one of the longstanding traditions of the Joker is to not want to really kill Batman, because he finds him refreshing in a way, to torture and twist and push and poke and prod him.

[Immitis]

Somehow I doubt his method acting, which he claims took him to places of violence and whatever, is comparable to the process that Ledger went through which ultimately killed him. I mean, I'm not asking for Leto to be suicidal, but Ledger became the Joker. Leto sounds like he became a teenager with no rules. Again, still think it will turn out ok....but this kind of stuff pulls back the curtain a little too much. Just a man pulling some strings in there, nothing to see.

lets not exaggerate here, ledger had a massive drug problem before he ever became the joker. becoming the joker didnt kill him, if anything it might have sped it up a bit but he was on that track for a long time

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I didn't like it either. I don't know, I associate something brutal with the Joker, but also a bit elegant. I wouldn't say he has no rules, but that his rules are so twisted as to make little sense. Like, one of the longstanding traditions of the Joker is to not want to really kill Batman, because he finds him refreshing in a way, to torture and twist and push and poke and prod him.

i dont think thats a rule, the joker is in love with batman.

its not that he has a rule against killing him, he'd just rather he became part of his family and more like him.

his current origin story in the comics is that hes immortal like savage and was basically hobo'ing about occasionally fucking with things until batman showed up and "completed" him.

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i think really the only reason some people havent warmed up to letos joker is because of the tats. thats really the only major difference.



look at this sexy mother fucker.

hes fucking beautiful

[Chrysia]

Wait, wasn't the latest info that Ledger's death was because of a prescribed drug interaction, not intentional suicide? I could have sworn that had come out.

[Immitis]

Wait, wasn't the latest info that Ledger's death was because of a prescribed drug interaction, not intentional suicide? I could have sworn that had come out.

he overdosed. couldnt handle his shit.

[Omega Sanctions]

i think really the only reason some people havent warmed up to letos joker is because of the tats. thats really the only major difference.

I'm pretty sure it's more of the whole "punk" vibe he's giving off, actually. That tattoos are only part of it.

[Kelimbror]

Wait, wasn't the latest info that Ledger's death was because of a prescribed drug interaction, not intentional suicide? I could have sworn that had come out.

He didn't commit suicide directly, no. He was suffering from intense mental trauma and resulting insomnia. From the entries in his journal and talking to people who know him, it was mostly because of how deep into the Joker he was. I don't remember the toxicology report, but it's not like he was loaded up on booze and tons of pills. He just took drugs that didn't interact well that combined for an overdose trying to get some sleep.

Insomnia is no joke. After just a couple of days you start to lose grip on reality and it's very easy to imagine he didn't realize how many he took.

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I'm pretty sure it's more of the whole "punk" vibe he's giving off, actually. That tattoos are only part of it.

You know the commercials with Lil Wayne pouring champagne on his phone? This feels like a Joker for people that commercial are targeted at. That's why people are not amused or really expecting this to be great.

[pateuvasiliu]

Or you know, this whole insomnia crap is just a story to save face and he was a junkie.

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Or you know, this whole insomnia crap is just a story to save face and he was a junkie.

Thats always been my inpretation of it. Heath Ledgers joker was great, and I always thought he was a decent actor, but god damn people need to get off his dick.

The fact that this Joker will more than likely be judged on how good it is in comparison to TDK's Joker is stupid, especially considering people did the exact same thing with TDK's Joker before it came out.

[Immitis]

fuckin glorious

[eschatological]

That's not glorious, he comes off like an Entourage douchebag in every gif you've posted.

[Immitis]

i dont see how he looks like someone from entourage.

to me he looks like whitey bulger mixed with a clown

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[pateuvasiliu]

Jared's a good actor. I'm sure he'll do alright.

The wave that hops on Ledger's dick, though, needs to die. He wouldn't have gotten half the attention, had he not died. The REAL Joker will always be Mark Hamill.

[Kelimbror]

The wave that hops on Ledger's dick, though, needs to die. He wouldn't have gotten half the attention, had he not died. The REAL Joker will always be Mark Hamill.

This is downright stupid. The performance was superb and most people wish he was still alive. It doesn't matter that he died. It was the best Joker we've ever seen. And voice acting is not acting acting. Mark Hamill is the definitive Joker voice, but he would likely not act him very well at all.

[pateuvasiliu]

This is downright stupid. The performance was superb and most people wish he was still alive. It doesn't matter that he died. It was the best Joker we've ever seen. And voice acting is not acting acting. Mark Hamill is the definitive Joker voice, but he would likely not act him very well at all.

Yeah, because we've seen so many.

Sure as hell matters that he died, everyone keeps going on about how he was the best thing since the Internet.

He nailed the role and that's about it.