The Ebon Blade's new Four Horsemen (massive spoilers)

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People that keeps repeating that clearly never did this quest.

It's true that the Forsaken fundamentally serves a purpose of self-preservation for Sylvanas, this doesn't mean she sees them as nothing but tools. If that was the case she would have never bothered to recover insignias and be sure the names of the fallen would have been remembered in the Undercity's records.

Just got to say, 1 quest of "being nice" and careing does not make a person less Vile. Even garrosh was displeased when they nuked a druid village. Hardly makes him him, nor her any less Vile for a few events You are shaped by the majority of your events

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Oh any link to this? I always thought it was weird why Blood Elf Priest aren't considered as Blood Knights as well.

http://beta.wowdb.com/garrison/missi...ts#21414-21491

[Friendlyimmolation]

Yeah, no. Chronicles doesn't states that most Undeads except the Forsaken hate the living. It only states that most Undeads hate the livings and are killing helpless, innocent humans most of the time.

Except once again, your entire shitty argument falls apart the moment you look at the Forsaken. It only works when Looking at mindless undead.

and bravo for once again lying and calling the humans they killed innocent. I just love your headcanon.

Then she is a total Hypocrite for hating a whole race for one Prince who was manipulated turned undead by an Orc?

Arthas was never manipulated.

[Deleted]

Except once again, your entire shitty argument falls apart the moment you look at the Forsaken. It only works when Looking at mindless undead.

and bravo for once again lying and calling the humans they killed innocent. I just love your headcanon.

So, you say that it is cool to kill civilians and helpless refugees who just try to defend their land? Wow. That's your moral standpoint? Because you know, Hillsbrad was mostly human territory. All the Forsaken do is crying about how the Humans wants to steal their land, so why don't they stay out of human territories?

Arthas was never manipulated.

He was pretty much manipulated until he took Frostmourne. Far more than the Orcs.



http://wow.gamepedia.com/High_Executor_Darthalia

Her Quests back in Classic could also be from some scourge commander, if you read the text.

[Friendlyimmolation]

So, you say that it is cool to kill civilians and helpless refugees who just try to defend their land?

People attacking the Forsaken, harassing supply lines and shipping excess food and taxes to the Alliance is not "helpless"

That's your moral standpoint? Because you know, Hillsbrad was mostly human territory.

Except it was not, The Territory was contested with equal forces of Undead and humans, and then Gnolls, ogres, Bandits as well. Every time you bring up that shitty point and every time it is refuted. By your own godawful logic, redridge mountains and Northshire are both Horde Territory because Orcs live there.

All the Forsaken do is crying about how the Humans wants to steal their land, so why don't they stay out of human territories?

Except it wasn't human territory. It was contested with both sides living there.

He was pretty much manipulated until he took Frostmourne. Far more than the Orcs.

Except following through on vengeance isn't manipulation. Compared to the Orcs who had to be slowly lead along and tricked by their "ancestors" another heavily biased and shit argument on your point.

Her Quests back in Classic could also be from some scourge commander, if you read the text.

Which does not prove any points you made. Hillsbarad was still contested territory, and the Humans in Hillsbarad farms and southshore were both actively supporting the Alliance and attacking the Forsaken.

[Al Gorefiend]

So, you say that it is cool to kill civilians and helpless refugees who just try to defend their land? Wow. That's your moral standpoint? Because you know, Hillsbrad was mostly human territory. All the Forsaken do is crying about how the Humans wants to steal their land, so why don't they stay out of human territories?



He was pretty much manipulated until he took Frostmourne. Far more than the Orcs.



http://wow.gamepedia.com/High_Executor_Darthalia

Her Quests back in Classic could also be from some scourge commander, if you read the text.

Lol, have you forgotten what the Forsaken are/were? Former humans with houses in Hillsbrad, Arathi, Alterac etc. etc. who were forced against their will to be the undead. Why would they not have claim to their own damn houses? The Alliance needs to let them have what belongs to them. The very fact that the Forsaken are in the Horde proves its THE ALLIANCE who was harassing THEM in the first place, not the other way around.

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And then you know, there's the whole Scarlets. Further expounding the argument that the Forsaken are just hated and despised for something they didn't have control over.

[Zulkhan]

Yeah, no. Chronicles doesn't states that most Undeads except the Forsaken hate the living. It only states that most Undeads hate the livings and are killing helpless, innocent humans most of the time.

Most undead are driven by vengeance and hatred to destroy the one thing that they can never have again: life.

10/10 for the comical attempt to shove the Forsaken and their killing of humans into the quote to fit your argument.

Then she is a total Hypocrite for hating a whole race for one Prince who was manipulated turned undead by an Orc?

Oh seriously, her sisters did no better despite experiencing far less.

And Arthas is to blame for his own choices. Ner'zhul didn't manipulate him like a puppet, he suggested a path and Arthas followed it eagerly. Plus, that has little to do with hypocrisy, is just overreaction.

World of Warcraft without Tirion, Malfurion and Thrall? Can only be better.

I'm not entirely sure, if you who would be the one offering the alternatives.

Alleria hates all orcs when it's convenient for your argument apparently. When discussing whether Alleria should be Alliance or Horde, she doesn't hate orcs at all because she got over it in Beyond the Dark Portal. Make up your mind plz.

Just because she got over it doesn't change the fact that triggered genocidal tendencies after enduring emotional trauma is a Windrunner thing through and through.

Just got to say, 1 quest of "being nice" and careing does not make a person less Vile. Even garrosh was displeased when they nuked a druid village. Hardly makes him him, nor her any less Vile for a few events You are shaped by the majority of your events

I shown a quest where Sylvanas is shown to care for her people, to an extent at least. Since no other quest contradicted this notion, the idea that Sylvanas sees the Forsaken as nothing but tools is flawed.

[JustRob]

Wait... I just read on WoWpedia that the Ebon Blade is going to asault Light's Hope Chapel and take Tirion's corpse from its burial site. How the fuck is that okay? Doesn't that make them full on bad guys?

[Kallisto]

Wait... I just read on WoWpedia that the Ebon Blade is going to asault Light's Hope Chapel and take Tirion's corpse from its burial site. How the fuck is that okay? Doesn't that make them full on bad guys?

The corpse not doing anything but rotting is a potential ally being wasted doing nothing.

[JustRob]

The corpse not doing anything but rotting is a potential ally being wasted doing nothing.

Doesn't matter, they -attack- Light's Hope Chapel and desecrate a sacred burial ground. Besides, that's Sylvanas-style thinking. I thought the Ebon Blade was already under very close watch because of their previous "employment", how are they allowed to do this without anyone stepping in?

[Maxilian]

Doesn't matter, they -attack- Light's Hope Chapel and desecrate a sacred burial ground. Besides, that's Sylvanas-style thinking. I thought the Ebon Blade was already under very close watch because of their previous "employment", how are they allowed to do this without anyone stepping in?

Cause everyone is on the Broken Isles or dead, also... the EB have never been better than Sylvanas, they have always been "questionable" individuals, i mean... they raise the Scarlet Crusade as mindless ghouls, and they are also creating more mindless ghouls to fight the Legion (so they don't even have the "free will" law that the forsaken have)

[Combatbutler]

Alleria hates all orcs when it's convenient for your argument apparently. When discussing whether Alleria should be Alliance or Horde, she doesn't hate orcs at all because she got over it in Beyond the Dark Portal. Make up your mind plz.

Did I ever say Alleria should be horde? Nope I never did. She should be neutral, considering her ties to both factions. She still hates orcs but doesn't want them all dead anymore.

[Deleted]

Lol, have you forgotten what the Forsaken are/were? Former humans with houses in Hillsbrad, Arathi, Alterac etc. etc. who were forced against their will to be the undead. Why would they not have claim to their own damn houses? The Alliance needs to let them have what belongs to them. The very fact that the Forsaken are in the Horde proves its THE ALLIANCE who was harassing THEM in the first place, not the other way around.

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And then you know, there's the whole Scarlets. Further expounding the argument that the Forsaken are just hated and despised for something they didn't have control over.

The Humans worked together with Sylvanas and her Undeads until Sylvanas slaughtered their leader. The Forsaken started the whole war.

[Maxilian]

The Humans worked together with Sylvanas and her Undeads until Sylvanas slaughtered their leader. The Forsaken started the whole war.

Why we always go back to Garithos with you?

[Deleted]

Why we always go back to Garithos with you?

He was the first Human who was willing to work together with the Forsaken, he gave them a chance and they betrayed him. Why should the Humans trust the Forsaken ever again? The probably learned their lesson that the Forsaken will only betray and slaughter them.

[Graden]

Why we always go back to Garithos with you?

http://img13.deviantart.net/e959/i/2...in-d9fauld.jpg

[Maxilian]

http://img13.deviantart.net/e959/i/2...in-d9fauld.jpg

Dammit, i had that link open, wating for the perfect moment to post it!

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He was the first Human who was willing to work together with the Forsaken, he gave them a chance and they betrayed him. Why should the Humans trust the Forsaken ever again? The probably learned their lesson that the Forsaken will only betray and slaughter them.

Well... what else they could do, they needed somewhere to stay, Garithos kicked them out as soon as they reclaimed Lordaeron, and Sylvanas was going to have nothing of that

[Deleted]

Well... what else they could do, they needed somewhere to stay, Garithos kicked them out as soon as they reclaimed Lordaeron, and Sylvanas was going to have nothing of that

That was the Deal between Humans and Sylvanas, she promised the Humans Lordaeron.

[Graden]

Dammit, i had that link open, wating for the perfect moment to post it!

Gosh, what is this monstrosity :

[Deleted]

Naah, it's not Sylvanas-style since she doesn't actually do such a thing.
It's just terrible and for in-game reasons they are going to get away with it.

But as someone that has played Paladin for the last 10 years I find this extremely annoying.
It tells us that our class is basically nothing compared to DK's.

DKs are newer than Paladins.