"The Lost Boys" – young men opt for virtual life of pornography and gaming

[Lady Dragonheart]

Getting stuck on semantics and doing mental gymnastics to give yourself abstract "I am right" points?

smh

Imagine about me whatever you want, but your assumption is nothing more than an assumption. You still have yet to hold a point other than running from the topic that you say you disagree with me upon. I'll put it as plainly as I can, why do you disagree with me, and if you if fact do, what is your point about it?

I am not bargaining anything, I am saying that you can have sex without conversation - By the virtue of doing advances without verbal communication.

First of all, having sex with a stranger without discussing anything (let alone talking to the person) prior to it is extremely stupid and dangerous. This also goes back to my point, good conversation skills increase the chances of everyone getting what they want, you can know what you want all you like but if you don't know how to get it, you'll fail often over it.

Lest you somehow wish to imagine that you have sex over the internet or have had to say hi before you kiss someone and take it from there. To which, again, smh.

So, you also think that walking up to stranger and kissing them is legit? Don't make me laugh, no matter the genders involved that's extremely dangerous (especially from a legal standpoint).

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I mentioned previous posters coming out and saying this is what they are and they even went In detail about why they are as my evidence earlier.

I'm not going to mention them by name and put them on blast because of your inability to read.

This is like, the second time you've either failed to read the entirety of my posts or misconstrue them.

Take a deep breath and read. You'll do me and everyone else a favor.

It's a habit with him, so I'm seeing.

[THE Bigzoman]

Again, is it for you to decide what someone else does with their time?

This reminds me of a teacher I once had who chastised students who played video games as wasting time, while he admittedly watched ESPN and Sports games religiously. Smoke weed and play Skyrim for hours, vs. Drink cheap beer and watch football for hours?

If anything I think we should finally legalize prostitution just to deal with this situation of the sex aspect and simply accept that not everyone will follow the same script.

Who is dictating about how they spend their time?

[Austilias]

Those grapes were sour anyway said the fox, eh?

Once bitten, twice shy; fool me once, etc.

The trouble with invoking idioms is that so many of them contradict once another. They don't achieve much beyond adding a little literary, worldly flair.

Of course, "swearing off women" and so on is of course absurd; but I can't blame people (in general) for being much more cautious about relationships in general, nowadays. Whoever loses nowadays, a lawyer wins.

[Spectral]

Once bitten, twice shy; fool me once, etc.

The trouble with invoking idioms is that so many of them contradict once another. They don't achieve much beyond adding a little literary, worldly flair.

Of course, "swearing off women" and so on is of course absurd; but I can't blame people (in general) for being much more cautious about relationships in general, nowadays. Whoever loses nowadays, a lawyer wins.

I'm just saying that I'm very skeptical of an otherwise healthy, stable, self-interested young man saying, "I don't want women anymore".

[JohnBrown1917]

2D traps > any 3DPD woman.

Silly studies.

[Lady Dragonheart]

Whoever loses nowadays, a lawyer wins.

So, "Lawyer" is the master gender?

[Austilias]

I'm just saying that I'm very skeptical of an otherwise healthy, stable, self-interested young man saying, "I don't want women anymore".

Well it seems to always boil down to a question of standards; which sex has the more realistic expectations?

Regarding the males such as those cited in the OP, and that earlier post, their case seems to be that the expectations of modern women are so absurd that there's no point trying to meet them any more; and so they no longer try, or simply give up. Regarding the other side of the coin, I don't really know what expectations women have of modern men (in general); and so it's hard to say. The stereotypes suggest an 'unrealistic' physical ideal, among other things.

It could be the case that neither is right, or both. Personally I don't see much point in the melodrama of swearing off women/etc, or the whole MGTOW shtick; but I am indifferent to relationships and so on, nowadays, which doesn't strike me as terribly unreasonable when you consider the whole 'risk vs reward' factor from a legal point of view (and otherwise).

[Theodarzna]

Who is dictating about how they spend their time?

The writer of the article.

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So, "Lawyer" is the master gender?

I sexually identify myself as an lawyer.

[Deleted]

Look at the people that had the balls to admit that the article applied to them is this very thread.

They've been hurt, ostracized, and knocked down. Whether they meant to or not, they admitted that they're the way they are because it's their way of coping with their suffering.

That's more than enough reason to care right there.

Not the games or porn, but the fact that they're turning to porn to cope with what seems to be an impossible obstacle.

I don't care if people wanna be lonley

[Seramore]

I must say that I really dislike the term "fuckboy". Mostly because women I know would rage into a feminist frenzy if a woman is callled a slut or whore for sleeping around, yet find it completely okay to like and share facebook jokes involving the "fuckboy" term.

But I guess it's just a manifestation of how women and men are (biological?) different. Men are in general probably more content with just staying fuckbuddies in a relationship, since I've never seen facebook jokes with men complaining about how a girl is just an annoying fuckgirl, who doesn't want to become more than fuckbuddies.

lol apparently you don't know what fuckboy means

A lot of women I met online open with saying they aren't there for sex, that's great and all and that's not why I'm on it either...but if they are gonna exclude sex all together before you even know me or I said something offensive they can fuck themselves. Sex is not a goal for me when dating, but it's something I expect to happen somewhere along the line if there is a connection.

prime example of what I'm talking about boys

[Canpinter]

From a simple risk reward perspective is it any wounder why alot of men are avoiding relationships? Think about it half of all marriages end in divorce so right away you have a 50/50 shot of being emotionally and financially crippled you shouldn't be surprised that a lot of guys end up saying fuck it and not bothering.

[In Ogres We Trust]

I remember this stuff from the 1990s, back then it was the religious right talking about the dangers of video games and pornography

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"The Lost Boys" – young men opt for virtual life of pornography and gaming

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/the-lost-b...15-go7mi9.html

A generation of young men is being lost to arousal addiction, preferring the instant gratification offered by online pornography and gaming to the challenges of real-life interactions.

In their new book Man, Interrupted, US psychologist Philip Zimbardo and his colleague Nikita Coulombe argue that these young men are growing up isolated, socially stunted, unmotivated, struggling academically and with unrealistic sexual expectations of themselves and potential partners.

Stanford University Professor Emeritus Zimbardo said his study of 20,000 young men found many were retreating to the digital worlds of pornography and gaming where there are instant rewards, clear goals, fewer risks and consequences, more excitement and no fear of rejection.

"Porn guarantees sexual gratification without rejection, and without the time and money needed to go out on a date," he told Fairfax Media. "Video games offer a degree of instant gratification, but also offer structured goals and feedback on performance, which is currently lacking in most real-world spheres for men."
His co-author Ms Coulombe said young men were being conditioned to always expect a reward. "Real life doesn't work like that. Real-life rewards require planning and there is no guarantee of success in any pursuit."

One young man interviewed for the book said: "I think the on-demand pleasure, gratification, control and stress release of pornography and video games reduces our patience, makes us hold ourselves to unrealistic expectations and cripples us socially."

As the young male brain adapts to the intense stimulation of pornography and gaming which is available free and all the time on the internet, too much use of either makes them forget their responsibilities or lose interest in daily real life. They struggle to form relationships as they haven't developed real-world interpersonal skills.

Professor Zimbardo describes excessive use of gaming and pornography as "arousal addiction", which he said is different to other addictions.

"With alcohol, drugs or gambling you want more of the same, but with porn and video games you want the same – but different. You need novelty in order to achieve the same high," he said. "To get the same amount of stimulation you need new material, seeing the same images over and over again becomes uninteresting after a short time."

It is estimated that up to 10 per cent of gamers have a problem, while teenage boys watch an average of two hours of pornography a week – starting well before they have any real-life sexual experiences.

Australian sex educator Liz Walker said arousal addiction underlies the "edging" masturbation trend popular with young men. To keep themselves on the edge of an orgasm for hours at a time they will watch one pornography clip after another.

"The levels are that intense that trying to break away from [the habit] is near impossible," Ms Walker said.

Experts say that young men who are sensation seeking, suffer low self-esteem or anxiety, or have poor family connections are more vulnerable to arousal addiction.

The Man, Interrupted authors believe that if these trends continue, a group of men will opt out of society, others will increasingly turn to crime, and there will be a decline in marriage and family formation.

"More women of course will be asking 'where are all the good men?' as they become more educated and financially well-off than their male peers," Ms Coulombe said.

I'm not buying the two hours of pornography per week for teenagers bit.

[flyspyro]

"The Lost Boys" – young men opt for virtual life of pornography and gaming

Wait what about me. I'm a lost girl RL sucks

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Wait what about me. I'm a lost girl RL sucks

Fuck a lost boy

[Mistame]

I guess once sexbots are a thing, it will be all over for you ladies.

FTFY.

The only way that argument can be complete is if you carry the assumption the porn and video games are perfect substitutes for happiness gained from positive social interactions and actual sex. That's not the case, at all.

You say so definitively what's purely subjective.

Ya to be fair, I've basically sworn off women. The first girlfriend I ever got faked pregnancy to get me to stay with her and basically ruined my high school life. I grew past that, and had some long standing interests, but now that I see all this nonsense feminism crap or how often consensual sex turns into rape charges I am very much satisfied to go to work, come home to play games and do other work, and never think about another woman outside of pornhub.

Its sad to say, but this is not an addiction. Its conditioning.
When this feminist and rape nonsense stops I may try to care again, but its not worth losing all my free time and potential freedom for a girl.

It also doesn't help when like half the available women are fat. I mean, I've nothing against bigger girls but there's no valid reason to commit yourself to (or even bang) someone you're not physically attracted to.

prime example of what I'm talking about boys

If you're implying that what you quoted makes him a "fuckboy", then you don't understand what it means, either.

Wait what about me. I'm a lost girl RL sucks

You're a hero!

[The One Percent]

If you don't reproduce and raise your kids, your DNA will be cleansed from the gene pool.

It will be like you never existed.

Hitler didn't have kids. People will remember him for a long time.

[Theinquisition]

That makes perfect sense Ray. No sarcasm intended. That makes perfect sense.


After being ostrascized by peers for a portion of their lives, it's only rational for people to stay on land instead of subjecting themselves in a sink or swim situation with bloodthirsty sharks..

Watching porn is like playing racketball with yourself. Yeah it's fun, but its always more fun with a partner.

It always seems (at least here in mmot) is that you have folks who are not interested in doing a lot to make themselves marketable I.E. in shape and healthy, shaving the neck beard, being social etc etc, and expect the woman of their dreams to fall in their lap and get upset when it doesn't happen.

[Deleted]

It always seems (at least here in mmot) is that you have folks who are not interested in doing a lot to make themselves marketable...

What's the point? There are hardly any good women. There's hardly any upward mobility. Children are unaffordable.

What's the point?

Instead of blaming men, you should place the blame where it belongs.

[Theinquisition]

What's the point? There are hardly any good women. There's hardly any upward mobility. Children are unaffordable.

What's the point?

Instead of blaming men, you should place the blame where it belongs.

No

Women are just as bad about it, let me make it clear. There are plenty of self-loathing women out there who whine whine whine all day about any and everything, don't take care of themselves and then blame men for not swooning.

Upward mobility? in what sense? I can't speak for everyone, but getting right out of the army I didn't make a lot, but through doing well at my job, pursuing technical certifications and social networking, im making my way up "the ladder". You have to want it dude, just like with women, don't expect the perfect job to fall in your lap, you have to chase that shit.

Children are affordable if you want to have them.