Why Bernie Sanders is Actually Winning

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If Hillary wins there will never be another Bernie or trump ever. The uniparty will make damn sure of that. Both parties are basically owned by the same people, they are controlled opposition parties.

Because Trump isn't liked by a certain % of other people in the political elite does not mean he is not part of the political elite. That's like saying Trotsky wasn't a communist because he fell out with Stalin.

[Reeve]

A good example of the sort of thinking brought up in the OP:

http://www.chicagonow.com/bronzevill...anders-option/

Yesterday my sister in law in Georgia called me. She’s a pretty busy lady heading into senior citizenship and recently enrolled in college to finish her degree. I’m really proud of this woman.

Her phone call was about one of her Spanish assignments. My Spanish is pretty weak but it was a good excuse for us to chat. We morphed from homework and grandkids to the primaries. My sister in law commented that she couldn’t see how HRC won Georgia. Nobody she knew or talked to had voted for Clinton. BTW we are black. I echoed her concerns. I couldn’t see how Clinton won Illinois, especially not Chicago, in spite of Bill Clinton’s electioneering at south and west side polling places. I also didn’t know anyone voting for her. Sorry correction, I knew two people.

Well up pops an article on Facebook in the Inquisitor. I don’t rely on Facebook stories en face but I do look into the stories and try to find credibility. I wasn’t surprised with the content of the article, Chicago results were manipulated to put Hillary ahead of Sanders. I mean look at Arizona, New York and now Rhode Island. Chicago is the capital of scumbag politics. Of course Illinois would be suspect. This situation is disgraceful. Why is it so difficult for the DNC to understand the pushback against Hillary Clinton?

I digress. Part of my discussion with my sister in law was about Facebook. You see she’s too busy with school and babysitting her grandson to spend time on FB. She gets her daily dose of news from network television. When I started to enumerate the complaints of voter fraud around this country she was horrified. When I stated that I would not vote for HRC even if Bernie Sanders came to my house and asked me to support her my sister in law was non-plussed. OMG you would vote for Donald Trump she asked. Of course not I replied. Her response is again the work of network TV. There are other options.

If Bernie refuses to run as an independent after his best attempts to sway super delegates, we can:

1.write him in. This is not as easy as it seems. In some states Bernie would have to submit a petition to run for write in candidacy.

2.Vote for Jill Stein.

This second option gave my sister in law cause for concern. Look at what happened to Ralph Nader was her cry.

Well things are a little different this time around. There is a huge group of voters called independents (estimate around 30% )(45% by Gallop Poll) If you look at the Michigan primary statistics Bernie Sanders received a whopping lead with this group. If this group has no option to vote for him in the general election they may chose to go with Jill Stein of the Green Party. She would certainly be my choice. We would get a woman in the Oval Office and a true progressive. If you don’t know Dr. Jill Stein, please read about her. She’s a female Bernie Sanders and in fact has suggested her followers back Bernie if he gets the Democratic nomination. She is definitely not a Hillary supporter.

3. Stay home and don’t vote NOT AN OPTION

4. Move to another country when Ted Cruz gets elected.

Before I get a boatload of emails from Bernie supporters calling me a copout, let me state emphatically that I am #BernieorBust but I am also an ex-girl scout. Remember “be prepared”.

I don't understand this "No one I know is voting for Clinton, so the fact that she won must be voter fraud." Do people not realize that the people you spend time with are more likely to be like you, and that there are plenty of other groups of people out there who aren't like you?

[Detritivores]

I don't understand this "No one I know is voting for Clinton, so the fact that she won must be voter fraud." Do people not realize that the people you spend time with are more likely to be like you, and that there are plenty of other groups of people out there who aren't like you?

But Reeve, it's cold where I am, so climate change isn't real! Dingos ate my baby so dingos will eat EVERY BABY! etc, etc.

@Hooked and @RickJamesLich
No Bernie supporters with even a passable level of intelligence would vote for Trump. Despite him also being an "outsider," he stands against basically everything a committed Bernie supporter would want. Stopping the 1 party monopoly is not worth electing an authoritarian maniac who we have no idea how he will actually govern.

You will find a minority of Bernie supporter who "just want to see the system burn" so to speak who might go to Trump, but the bulk of his crowd is actual liberal progressive people, aka no one that could stomach a Trump vote.

[BuckSparkles]

If Hillary wins there will never be another Bernie or trump ever. The uniparty will make damn sure of that. Both parties are basically owned by the same people, they are controlled opposition parties.

This election has certainly opened my eyes to this fact.

Trump has exposed this truth. It's funny, I have seen more fire, energy, and desperation to stop Trump than I ever saw people try to stop Obama a few years ago.

Where was this fire then?

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White democrat concerns are no longer useful or popular on the democrat side it seems it seems. These are my observations of white democrats:

1) They like the power over people they consider helpless.

2) They think if you are nice to everyone, everyone will be nice back. This is the golden rule and its true in a homogenous society.

3) They always need to be fighting for something, they make stuff up to fight for because they always need a cause.

#101

Yep. This is very true.

I also seem to notice the Dems love the victim Olympics, and only want to project it further and include more members. They want to win via moral bankruptcy and feelgood arguments.

[Deleted]

awesome video, basically summed up /r/sandersforpresident

[breadisfunny]

Pass, I'll let the rest of America decide between Trump and Hillary. Not going to vote for the sake of party loyalty.

i just might since i am the vindictive type.

[purebalance]

But that was not the premise. BLM wasn't founded because one black person was killed and they thought it was unfair. BLM was founded to attract attention to the problem of black people being killed, and that event was just an occasion triggering the creation of the movement. Or am I getting it wrong?

I mean my above post stating that they called it black lives matter and said that black people are killed by cops disproportionately when people kept saying shouldn't it be all lives matter when in fact white people are killed disproportionately and more so than black people are. They're making it a race issue when not only is it not a race issue, but blacks aren't the higher demographic in it. How many white riots happened in 2015 over a white person killed by a cop? Then when you answer that I'll let you once again know that more white people even with regards to population were killed by cops in the past 2 years than black people. BLM is founded on lies to allow them to race bait things.

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But Reeve, it's cold where I am, so climate change isn't real! Dingos ate my baby so dingos will eat EVERY BABY! etc, etc.

@Hooked and @RickJamesLich
No Bernie supporters with even a passable level of intelligence would vote for Trump. Despite him also being an "outsider," he stands against basically everything a committed Bernie supporter would want. Stopping the 1 party monopoly is not worth electing an authoritarian maniac who we have no idea how he will actually govern.

You will find a minority of Bernie supporter who "just want to see the system burn" so to speak who might go to Trump, but the bulk of his crowd is actual liberal progressive people, aka no one that could stomach a Trump vote.

Except the bulk of his supporters are not. They're as incredibly irrational as Trump supporters which is why this primary season has been so divisive.

[Jotaux]

Sanders can't win, the system is set up to let only people the party leaders want win the nomination.

It's the same with Trump to a lessor extent. He'll fall short of the delegates he needs and the party's failsafe will kick in. The only difference being Trump will be a lot closer to winning.

[hrugner]

Bernie supporters are welcome on the trump train.

No thanks, it looks like a good year for Green to get their 15%. If Sanders isn't in, I'll go for Stein no problem.

[lazypeon100]

Yep, hes loyal to the people he represents instead of the political party...so horrible.

He's not calling Bernie horrible though. I'd prefer Bernie to win, but realistically speaking that won't happen. Even if he did win and also wins the general, he won't actually get anything done in office.

[XangXu]

His presidancy doesn't matter and it never did. It is about educating Americans and keeping that pandora's box that he opened OPEN for Hilary to deal with.

[RickJamesLich]

But Reeve, it's cold where I am, so climate change isn't real! Dingos ate my baby so dingos will eat EVERY BABY! etc, etc.

@Hooked and @RickJamesLich
No Bernie supporters with even a passable level of intelligence would vote for Trump. Despite him also being an "outsider," he stands against basically everything a committed Bernie supporter would want. Stopping the 1 party monopoly is not worth electing an authoritarian maniac who we have no idea how he will actually govern.

You will find a minority of Bernie supporter who "just want to see the system burn" so to speak who might go to Trump, but the bulk of his crowd is actual liberal progressive people, aka no one that could stomach a Trump vote.

By voting for Hillary, they pretty much commit the ultimate hypocrisy, as they only strengthen that corporate influence that has encompassed politics by voting directly for their candidate of choice. Tough choices lie ahead for those Bernie Bros either way I suppose.

[jaber2]

This is how I feel about Bernie, also note bitten once with the change that didn't happen with Obama.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2cXQbPMHvE

[akris15]

His presidancy doesn't matter and it never did. It is about educating Americans and keeping that pandora's box that he opened OPEN for Hilary to deal with.

In a way Bernie lost the battle but maybe won the war (we don't know yet). He inspired many young voters with the concept of an actual socialist system that 20 years ago would have been outright rejected as insane and extremist in the states but now is actually being considered. Bernie entered the race to keep Hilary from going from diet republican to actual republican (and not the current "republicans" who are so extremist that they make Reagan look like a bleeding heart liberal). At this point considering Clinton has all but won the nomination she has to stay where she is politically because if she runs to the right that will create a power vacuum that will hurt the democrats years down the road, especially as the Reagan democrats start dying off. I mean trump basically burnt down the Gop single handily, the democrats house is smoking but at least it can be contained if properly done right.

I hope that this movement isn't a fad for younger voters, which I sure it will be, but I would like to see American shift back at least to the center pre 1980s levels when at least republicans believed in science (nasa) and the general welfare (epa).

[Frozen Death Knight]

This election has certainly opened my eyes to this fact.

Trump has exposed this truth. It's funny, I have seen more fire, energy, and desperation to stop Trump than I ever saw people try to stop Obama a few years ago.

Where was this fire then?

It probably has a bit to do with how the Republicans felt that they were able to control the situation in the White House if Obama was elected, while Trump is pretty much a wild card that they can not control, which likely terrifies them.

[Zolaris192]

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The only fascism I see is these tolerant liberals rioting at trump rallies and being legitimized by the media, Bernie supporters are the most violent intolerant people have ever seen in my life, the only thing that comes close to resembling their behavior were the people against the civil rights act

but lol @ how triggered I made you using logic

[Jakisuaki]

obviously you care if you posted in it.

I meant not giving a shit about there being another thread.

[kail]

This is how I feel about Bernie, also note bitten once with the change that didn't happen with Obama.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2cXQbPMHvE

Is Bernie Peter Griffen or the other guy?

[lazypeon100]

@Skroe , I support Bernie but I don't disagree with the points you make. I just wanted to put out there, that I'm not convinced Bernie's goal initially was to win the election. The way I've seen him, and his campaign, was that he was pointing out issues in our nation that have been unaddressed and have been getting worse. He went on to get a large amount of support (not a majority) from the left, which shows there is at least a sizeable amount of people who agree with his views. The ideas he has put forward would have been laughed at by a much larger portion of people say, eight years ago. Now, that isn't the case.

I don't think he will win by any means, and I'm not really upset about it. I think as the younger, more left leaning, generations grow up things will gradually change towards what Bernie has been saying.

I don't think he has been running a false campaign. I don't think his campaign overall has been as good as it could have been, and he really SHOULD be speaking out more against supporters who go to other rallies just to cause problems. I do think he was a success in getting people to start openly talking more about the problems with our nation, and getting the ball rolling for more meaningful changes some day.

Anyway, sorry for the ramble. I see you post in depth thoughts often, and I'm not a political major or anything like that, just figured I'd give my input since you were questioning sander supporters.

[RickJamesLich]

The only fascism I see is these tolerant liberals rioting at trump rallies and being legitimized by the media, Bernie supporters are the most violent intolerant people have ever seen in my life, the only thing that comes close to resembling their behavior were the people against the civil rights act

but lol @ how triggered I made you using logic

You may have already seen this but just incase:



Pretty much describes what a lot of the rallies are really like and in particular the actions of the Bernie Bro's. I was at the Cleveland rally and essentially saw the same thing (but it wasn't as bad as say, what happened at Chicago). Basically the protesters behave like animals, like they will just randomly run around yelling swear words or calling people "racists" without trying to come up with a logical reason for doing so or anything along those lines. In the process, they bait a lot of people in to responding back. Now keep in mind not many people respond back but if you say "Fuck you" to enough random strangers, someone is going to verbally spar back or even may throw a punch. The media in almost every case I've seen will only show the video of the person throwing the punch or the Trump supporter yelling obscenities back at the protestors, I'm assuming because of their agenda.