Legion Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[gcsmith]

Wait, so dual spec is gone? So when Jay Wilson said at Blizzcon we could tri spec he basically lied than. Fuck that loser!

you can respec into any spec on the fly...

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Dual Spec is being able to switch between specs for free and then having the small 50s to change talents. If it costs money to change between the two specs itself, than that's like saying Dual spec existed since vanilla which was how you changed specs, which isn't true. So, is it just changing to the third spec that costs more gold now?

being able to change on the fly was dual spec, now you can do it, but as a gold sink it costs

[Elise the Seeker]

you can respec into any spec on the fly...

No idea why that's so hard to understand.
Did they keep the solid 100g , or did they change the requirement?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Dual Spec is being able to switch between specs for free and then having the small 50s to change talents. If it costs money to change between the two specs itself, than that's like saying Dual spec existed since vanilla which was how you changed specs, which isn't true. So, is it just changing to the third spec that costs more gold now?

Dual Spec is still there. It just costs something to switch, right now the price is at a level where there has been some *uproar*. I don't know if it's placeholder but you can still actually change specs. It's more likely it has to do with the whole Artifact and Blizz Devs(Not Jay Wilson specifically so let go of your hate boner for him) wanting to focus on one spec.

[beanman12345]

you can respec into any spec on the fly...

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being able to change on the fly was dual spec, now you can do it, but as a gold sink it costs

So it's like vanilla(which didn't have dual spec) just don't have to see a trainer.

edit - that sounds like single spec you can change for a cost but don't have to see physically go to a trainer, not dual spec.

[gcsmith]

So it's like vanilla(which didn't have dual spec) just don't have to see a trainer.

edit - that sounds like single spec you can change for a cost but don't have to see physically go to a trainer, not dual spec.

/sighs. Dual specs purpose was to stop you having to go to a trainer to repsec, not to remove a gold sink. Right now the game needs them with all the inflated gold value...

[thunderinggolf]

It would really suck if all of these newbs had their free month elapse before even the prepatch :/

I also imagine it would be really confusing to be a new player on your free month and then have your entire class change halfway through because the pre-patch dropped lol

[beanman12345]

/sighs. Yet the gold sink being removed was a big part of it.... for 6 years.

[huth]

"Not only that, but I generally dislike the system used since Warlords with the giant bar and you fill it up. It isn't very fun to notice a bar go up 1-5% everytime you kill something."

That isn't reward structure, thats design, but it was already clarified so idc.

and a specific type of quest goal

No, it isn't reward structure, but it doesn't have anything to do with World Quests in relation to others, either. Fill the Bar is a potential goal for a quest, like "kill x y", "go to z" or "escort a".

Dual Spec is still there. It just costs something to switch, right now the price is at a level where there has been some *uproar*. I don't know if it's placeholder but you can still actually change specs. It's more likely it has to do with the whole Artifact and Blizz Devs(Not Jay Wilson specifically so let go of your hate boner for him) wanting to focus on one spec.

No, Dual Spec is gone. You can just switch to any spec on the fly but have to pay if it isn't your primary, i.e. they removed the need to go to your trainer to respec.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

/sighs. Yet the gold sink being removed was a big part of it.... for 6 years.

You'd be better off arguing the gold sink part would be better elsewhere and not on dual spec. The whole "IT's been there for 6 years" isn't a good argument.

No, Dual Spec is gone. You can just switch to any spec on the fly but have to pay if it isn't your primary, i.e. they removed the need to go to your trainer to respec.

That tells me you can still move from spec to spec but this argument is really moot.

[gcsmith]

/sighs. Yet the gold sink being removed was a big part of it.... for 6 years.

That was never the intention, it was a convenience thing, not a "I never have to spend gold" thing.

[Seramore]

Wait, so dual spec is gone? So when Jay Wilson said at Blizzcon we could tri spec he basically lied than. Fuck that loser!

I'm surprised Blizzard even still has Blizzcon, people want them to be transparent but when they try to be transparent by talking about things that might not end up being in the game at places like Blizzcon, people proceed to quote back on them and then talk shit.

[huth]

That tells me you can still move from spec to spec but this argument is really moot.

You could do that before dual spec existed. Dual spec didn't introduce the ability to switch specs, it introduced the ability to do it for free and without the need for a trainer.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

You could do that before dual spec existed. Dual spec didn't introduce the ability to switch specs, it introduced the ability to do it for free and without the need for a trainer.

Well regardless, I don't see much of a point to this. I'd focus more on making more bigger gold sinks, not put it in where specs are changed.

[beanman12345]

That was never the intention, it was a convenience thing, not a "I never have to spend gold" thing.

And yet it is... again, what you are argueing in legion is we have 1 spec we have to spend gold to change, not dual spec, not tri spec, single spec. But it was a placeholder and might be gone anyways so it doesn't matter. either way, Fuck that Loser.

[George Costanza]

I'm surprised Blizzard even still has Blizzcon, people want them to be transparent but when they try to be transparent by talking about things that might not end up being in the game at places like Blizzcon, people proceed to quote back on them and then talk shit.

People want them to comment the stuff they are making to provide information, kind of like GC did, they are doing the opposite.

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They should remove the spec cost, or just keep dual spec. in and then have that other thing.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

And yet it is... again, what you are argueing in legion is we have 1 spec we have to spend gold to change, not dual spec, not tri spec, single spec. But it was a placeholder and might be gone anyways so it doesn't matter. either way, Fuck that Loser.

*Facepalm* This is why we can't have nice things.

[gcsmith]

You could do that before dual spec existed. Dual spec didn't introduce the ability to switch specs, it introduced the ability to do it for free and without the need for a trainer.

The purpose was to allow you to switch roles out in the world or in raids. That functionality has been improved by allowing you to do ALL SPECS AND TALENTS.

[nazrakin]

The purpose was to allow you to switch roles out in the world or in raids. That functionality has been improved by allowing you to do ALL SPECS AND TALENTS.

Thats only really an improvement if you have a need for 3 specs. Personally, I'd much prefer two specs I can freely swap between on the fly vs 3 that I have to pay for. I doubt I'm alone there since I imagine theres a ton of tanks/healers who are swapping many times a day between their main spec for group content and a dps spec for solo/farm.

[emilylorange]

No, Dual Spec is gone. You can just switch to any spec on the fly but have to pay if it isn't your primary

Then you can count on one less tank in any queue, or you (general you) can pay the cost of my swapping to and from, each time.

[Kryos]

Then you can count on one less tank in any queue, or you (general you) can pay the cost of my swapping to and from, each time.

Same here. Why the hell wants Blizzard to punish people who want to help their raid?